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Elon Musk says Tesla’s next car will be even cheaper than the Model 3







When it’s finally released in late 2017, Tesla’s new Model 3 will be a tremendous accomplishment. The car offers features and performance that are on par with similar models from premium car brands, but it bakes them into an all-electric vehicle with a range of at least 200 miles per charge. And incredibly, the Model 3 will start at just $35,000 before tax incentives that will be available to many early buyers.


If all goes according to plan, the Tesla Model 3 will be a complete game-changer… but just wait until Tesla unveils the “Model 4.”




No, there wasn’t a huge Tesla event that you somehow missed and no, the Model 4 doesn’t yet exist. We don’t even know that the company’s fourth-generation electric car will be called the Model 4. But in a recent talk, Tesla CEO Elon Musk already started speaking about his company’s next-generation vehicle and he had some pretty fascinating things to say about it.


Namely, the next-gen Tesla will be even more affordable than the upcoming new Model 3.


As noted by Evannex, Musk spoke late last week at the Future Transport Solutions conference in Oslo, Norway. The visionary CEO discussed a number of things during his talk, but one area was of particular interest. During the Model 3 event, Musk discussed how Tesla’s master plan has always been to make affordable electric vehicles, noting that the pricey Roadster, Model S and Model X were essentially created to fund more affordable EVs. The Model 3 is the next step in Tesla’s plan, but the company’s upcoming fourth vehicle will push things even further.


“I’m super-excited about being able to produce a car that most people can afford,” Musk said of the new Model 3. “And there will be future cars that are even more affordable down the road. But, with something like the Model 3, it’s designed such that roughly half the people will be able to afford the car. Then, with fourth generation and smaller cars, we’ll ultimately be in the position where everyone will be able to afford the car.”


The full video of Musk’s talk is embedded below, and the part where he discusses Tesla’s future fourth-generation car begins just after the 12-minute mark.


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Tesla Model Y to lead ambitious range expansion plans


The upcoming compact SUV, which is based on the forthcoming Model 3, could become the firm’s biggest seller




  • Tesla Model Y as imagined by Autocar







Tesla Inc — newly renamed after nearly 13 years as Tesla Motors Inc — is on the verge of what it says will be a massive expansion of production, with two new models due to arrive in the next two years.
As well as the much-hyped compact Model 3, Tesla is also expected to launch a compact crossover based on the same platform. The rumoured Model Y will, like the Model 3, be far more affordable than Tesla’s current offerings.
The starting price of the Model 3 is likely to be around $37,000 (£30,000), with the Model Y expected to be slightly more expensive. However, Tesla founder Elon Musk thinks the transaction prices of the new compact Teslas will be rather higher, at around £34,000 for the Model 3 and perhaps £37,000 for the Model Y, because buyers will be keen to add cost options to their vehicles.
While the compact Model Y could turn out to be Tesla’s best seller – some seven million crossovers of all types were sold in the US last year – Musk recently tweeted that the Model 3 remained the biggest priority for the company.
The Model Y is unlikely to be unveiled until some time next year, with production set to follow late in the year. Little in the way of specification has been released, but it’s likely to have the same tophinged ‘falcon wing’ rear doors as the bigger Model X SUV.
The Model Y will also have the promised updated electrical architecture that will allow Tesla to offer full autonomous driving capability. Future Tesla cars will be equipped with as many as eight cameras, giving a 360deg view of the surrounding roadscape, as well as 12 ultrasonic sensors and an unspecified ‘new’ forward-facing radar that works in the worst conditions. Existing radar systems can be fooled by heavy rain and fog.
Musk also said the new electrical architecture has a brain that is as much as “40 times” more powerful than on previous Teslas, calling it a “supercomputer inside the car”. The cost of adding the fully autonomous driving technology to the Model 3 and Y is likely to be nearly £7000 for each customer. Even then, local regulations could prevent all of the autonomous features being used by all drivers.
Another challenge for the Model 3 and Y will be balancing their lower price against the need for a battery big enough to give an acceptable range.
The entry-level Model 3 may have a cheaper, sub-60kWh battery but will still need to have a range of at least 230 miles. The Model Y’s more bluff shape and greater frontal area might mean a bigger battery for the same range, and so a slight price premium.
Tesla is in a race against time to achieve the kind of production levels needed to turn around what is still a cashhungry operation. The firm has spent nearly $2 billion (£1.6bn) since 2010, with investments including building the batterymaking Gigafactory and trying to expand car production to a massive 500,000 units a year.
Tesla delivered around 76,000 vehicles last year, but says it was able to build around 2000 cars per week by the second half of 2016. With as many as 400,000 deposits taken for the Model 3, the company is looking to produce well over 100,000 of the BMW 3 Series rival before the end of this year. Musk predicts Tesla should be capable of building 500,000 cars per year by 2019.
Musk’s expansion plans will test the limits of the capabilities of Tesla’s suppliers and those of his own plant in Freemont, California. But getting to annual sales of half a million vehicles should finally push the car maker into profit and secure the company’s long-term future.
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Good to see Elon is sticking with the S 3 X Y nomenclature. Lol
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Tesla's Next Car Won't Be Based On The Model 3, Which Is Confusing





Elon Musk dropped the hint that the upcoming Tesla ‘Model Y’ crossover will not be built on the same platform as the upcoming Model 3, suddenly countering months of speculation and common sense.

I am not one to question whatever behind the scenes logic Elon Musk has for developing a completely new platform for Tesla’s next crossover, but it may be a sign that Tesla’s product rush is forcing the company to get a little ahead of itself.
Here’s what I mean—when Tesla initially announced that it was developing a third car, it was teased that a new compact sedan would quickly be followed with a new compact crossover, and everyone with any sort of common sense assumed that these new vehicles would be on the same platform. Except now we’re supposedly just months away from the Model 3 launch, and the only news we get on this ‘Model Y’ is that it will be on a completely new platform and primed for sale closer to the end of the decade.



Every major automaker has been switching to shared or modular platforms—a concept that most EV startups even claim are the key to developing an extensive range of new cars in a relatively short amount of time. So why wouldn’t Tesla save costs and time by throwing a crossover on its Model 3 battery sled?
The answer may be in Musk’s ongoing obsession with the manufacturing and production process. In the same earnings call as the Model Y announcement, Musk described a new effort to rid future vehicles of the 12-volt battery architecture, according to The Verge. This, Musk says, will drastically reduce the amount of wiring required in Tesla’s vehicles, and allow for more robot optimization along the factory, streamlining and speeding up production.
It’s unclear but unlikely that the Model 3 was in on this new wiring plan, and thus the desire for another new platform for the upcoming Model Y crossover gets the updated ideas. Hence the ‘getting ahead of itself’ idea. The Model Y is loosely aimed for a 2019 or 2020 production time, which is when Tesla hopes to be hitting the million-sales mark. It would make sense to have a new platform that cuts the time and cost of production when you’re rushing to hit that ultimate six-figure goal.
Another reason for a new platform for Tesla’s next crossover may also be plans for an electric pickup truck. Perhaps what was once planned as a glorified lifted car-crossover is now going to ride on the bones of a much more capable truck platform.
Of course, at this point, only Elon Musk knows. And as long as they’ve got the Model 3 to peddle to customers, don’t expect too much news on Tesla’s Model Y, pickup, or even that cool microbus idea.





Oh yeah, Musk has also seemingly cancelled any plans for an electric public transport bus as he thinks his new plan for tunnels everywhere is better. That’s probably going to upset a few city planners around the country.
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Tesla gives a shadowy tease of the Model Y crossover SUV

The automaker also says it's on track to begin Model 3 production in July.










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It'll take a few more years before Tesla officially launches the Model Y, but we now kinda, sorta know what it could look like. The automaker has given us a first look at the upcoming mass market crossover EV during its annual shareholders meeting. It's pretty dark and doesn't really show a lot of details, but you'll probably notice the glaring lack of mirrors in the design. We don't know if Tesla truly believes it won't need mirrors when it becomes available by 2019 and beyond or if the design still isn't complete. All we know at this point is that it won't be based on the Model 3 platform, because Tesla chief Elon Musk wants to reduce the wiring needed by the company's vehicles.




At the shareholders meeting, Musk said Tesla actually made a mistake deriving Model X from the Model S platform. "It would have been better to just design an SUV the way an SUV should be designed. Design a sedan, the way a sedan should be designed. Otherwise, you would just try to shoehorn something that doesn't make sense," he said. The decision also gives Tesla the chance to use new and better manufacturing techniques for the SUV that will allow the automaker to drop capital expenditures between Model 3 and Model Y by a factor of two.
In addition to dropping a shadowy photo of its upcoming SUV, the company has also assured everyone that it's on track to begin Model 3 production in July. Its configurator will go live then, as well, starting with the simplest options like the car's color and the wheels. Other more complex options like dual motors will be available later. If you put down a deposit for the $35,000 electric sedan right now, you might get it as soon as the end of the year.
Finally, Musk has hinted at a big announcement when Tesla unveils its electric semi truck later this year. He wouldn't reveal much other than suggesting that "there's more than [they're] saying here" and recommending people to tune in.
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Tesla Is Already Cutting Costs For The Model Y Compact SUV

Although it's not even meant to be here for at least 18 months, it looks like Tesla has already started chopping development costs for the Model Y by recycling the Model 3's platform



Tesla seems to be in the news almost every day, lately, for one reason or another. This time we can bring you the breaking facts on the 2019 Model Y compact SUV, which won’t have the bespoke chassis that was originally planned.
With Tesla having just posted doubled revenues but increased losses, Elon Musk and Tesla’s management have decided to cut the Model Y’s development budget. It will now use the same platform as the new Model 3.
It will follow in the footsteps of the larger Model X, to which it will be a little brother, but it’s a reasonable assumption to make to predict that the Y will get drivetrain options just like the Model 3’s, which would give it two battery sizes with 210 or 300 miles of range.





Tesla’s cars have been called ‘Russian doll’ designs because within their respective car classes they’re differentiated almost exclusively by size. The Model 3 is essentially a smaller Model S, and the Model Y is expected to look very much like a Model X that’s shrunk in the wash.
The Model Y will also complete Elon Musk’s odd obsession with (sort of) spelling the word ‘sexy’ with his first four cars. He originally wanted to call the 3 the Model E, but Ford still owns the rights and objected, forcing Musk to reverse the E to become a 3. He recently tweeted that the naming conventions will change after Y, so we guess the S3XY joke has run its course.
The arrival of the compact SUV is currently slated for at least 18 months from now, which is a decision taken not so much for developmental reasons as to allow the company to get up to full speed on Model 3 production, and to finally finish the Gigafactory in Nevada.
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Maybe he should try to deliver on the 3 before he goes working on the 4. If you're in production hell already, maybe fix that first.
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Tesla Model Y release date, news and rumors


Everything you need to know about the Tesla compact SUV



When Tesla CEO Elon Musk first set out on his dream of making electric cars not only cool, but profitable, the automotive world seemed to let out a collective chuckle. 13 years later and Tesla is one of the coolest car makers on the planet, and with a recent report of taking £2.79 billion in revenue, it clearly isn't doing too badly with sales either.
Now that the Model 3 has officially hit the roads, we are looking forward to the next car that Tesla is working on. The Model Y is Tesla’s new compact SUV, and completes the running joke in Elon Musk’s naming scheme, with the Model S, Model X and the recent Model 3.
The Model 3 was originally going to be called the E, making it a perfect fit, but due to a legal clash with Ford over the use of the letter E, Tesla went with it’s visual numerical equivalent. To be fair, the fact that the Y is coming along makes us a little more comfortable with the joke; it’s still juvenile but at least a car manufacturer hasn’t just plastered the word sex over its range.
Although to be fair, it does mean it can make jokes like this:
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S, 3, X on a bridge pic.twitter.com/2E57xqkTVYJuly 29, 2017
There isn’t a great deal known about the Model Y at the moment but everything we know we’ve included below and we’ll keep you up to date with developments as and when we hear them.
Cut to the chase

  • What is it? The compact SUV from electric car giant Tesla
  • What’s the range? Currently unknown
  • How do I reserve one? You can’t yet
  • When is it out? Possibly 2018
  • What will it cost? Currently unknown, likely less than the X
  • How fast is it? Currently unknown
Tesla Model Y: What is it?

The Model Y will be the first compact SUV offering from the electric car manufacturer. It makes sense as a move for Tesla, considering the success of other compact SUV’s like the Toyota RAV4 and Ford Escape in the US market. Musk is obviously aware of the value of the compact SUV market, referring to it at the “biggest product segment in the world”.
According to a tweet from Musk, the Model Y is going to be built off the Model 3 chassis. This is interesting as Tesla already has an SUV (the Model X), so the fact that it’s being built off the chassis of the 3 potentially means it is aiming for a similar customer base.

The Tesla Model 3 is beauty on a budget
The Model 3 was a departure from the usual modus operandi; starting at $35,000 (£30,000, about AU$45,700) it was the first car that sat in a price bracket that was more ‘general consumer’ friendly.
According to the tweet from Elon Musk confirming that the Y is going to be built of the 3, he also confirmed that the ‘Spacebus’ was going to be built off the X. This is almost definitely going to be a minibus, but considering Musk’s other project SpaceX, the naming has led people to jokingly speculate that it would be for non-earth driving.
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Model Y (compact SUV) off Model 3 chassis. Tesla Bus/Minibus/Spacebus off Model X.July 31, 2016
Information about the Model Y is still pretty thin on the ground considering that it’s in the early stages of its development.
We know what it’s going to look like… well, we have had a very shadowy glimpse of what it’s going to look like thanks to the image shared by Musk.
Tesla Model Y: Release date

Originally Musk had claimed that the Model Y was going to be manufactured in a way entirely independent of the Model 3, and was due for a 2019 / 2020 release.
However, at a recent earnings report, Musk changed his stance on this and has said that certain elements would share manufacturing origins:
“The Model Y will be using substantial carryover from Model 3, which means it will come to market much faster.” While we don’t know exactly what ‘much faster’ will mean, we’re quietly hopeful that we’ll be seeing the Model Y by the end of 2018.
Tesla Model Y: What we’d like to see

At the moment it looks like the Model Y is going to follow in the footsteps of the Model X in that it is going to have the ‘Falcon doors’ that open up rather than out. While this is a feature that definitely makes an impact, we aren’t sure it’s something we really need.

The Model X with its 'wings'
As with all the electric cars coming to market at the moment, one of the main features that we are really bothered about is range between charging. While the infrastructure to support charging of electric vehicles is improving, it still isn’t in a place where we would feel 100% confident that moving to an all-electric vehicle wouldn’t negatively affect our driving patterns.
Given that the Model 3 has a starting range of approximately 215, there is a possibility that the Y would be similar, but our concern is that the larger car could have a negative impact on range.
Ideally we would like to see the ability to tow that we saw in the Model X carry over to the Model Y. When introduced, it was the first electric car to offer the feature, and to be honest, if the electric car is going to truly replace the combustion engine vehicle, it will need to be able to handle the heavy lifting that its fossil fueled counterparts are currently capable of.
On top of that are the features that we’ve come to know and love from Tesla, like it’s showstopping Ludicrous mode that ramps up the acceleration to (as you’d imagine) ludicrous levels.
As we learn more about the Model Y we will update this piece so keep checking back here for all the latest.
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Tesla to reveal Model Y production plans in late 2018, says Elon Musk

Tesla Model Y rendering from Peisert Design




Tesla CEO Elon Musk confirmed on Wednesday’s Q4 earnings call that the company will begin making capital investments on the Model Y compact SUV sometime in the second half of 2018.
Musk reaffirmed his position that the Model Y would be created with efficiency and rapid production in mind, and even simpler to manufacture than the Model 3.
“We are going to make some capital investments towards the end of this year related to Model Y. I don’t want to jump the gun on those, but I think we’ve got a good plan. I’m pretty excited about how we’re designing Model Y. It’s really taking a lot of lessons learned from Model 3 and saying how do we design something to be easy to manufacture instead of how to manufacture or difficult, really.” Musk said during the Q4 2017 earnings call.

A welcome update to the compact all-electric SUV was further provided by the Musk, stating that announcements for the Model Y would likely happen late in the third or fourth quarter, including details on where the electric car would be manufactured.
“I really think it’s going to be pretty great and pretty scalable for Model Y. But we are going to, as you suspect, need to make some capital investments in the second half of this year, really late Q3, Q4 for Model Y. But I think we want to wait probably three to six months before announcing any definitive plans on production location and the details associated with that.” said Musk.
Though the serial tech entrepreneur did not drop any clues this time around on where Model Y might be manufactured, Musk had previously mentioned that Model Y is expected to begin production in 2020, and aimed at the Chinese market to start.
“It’s sort of a rough target of start of production in about three years and it would be serving the China market and perhaps some other countries in the region and that’s really the intent,” said Musk in last year’s Q3 earnings call to analysts.
“[Tesla] won’t be making Model S and Model X, but we’ll be making probably Model 3, probably Model Y primarily for the local Chinese market and it’s really the only way to make the cars affordable in China, but it’s three years out, so.”
Elon Musk teases a rendering of a Tesla Model Y during the company’s annual shareholder meeting in 2017.

Built on the Model 3 platform, the Model Y would be marketed as a crossover SUV, competing with the leaders in the field such as the Subaru Outback, Toyota Rav4, and the Honda CR-V. Considering the huge demand for crossover SUVs on the automotive market, Tesla expects the Model Y to be one of its most popular offerings, ultimately helping the company to achieve its goal of producing 1 million cars per year in 2020.
Just like the Model 3, the Model Y would feature a number of new innovations for the electric car maker, including a new “flex circuit,” a wiring system that would drastically lower the number of wires needed for the vehicle. The Model 3 currently utilizes 1.5 km of wiring, which is already significantly less than the 3 km of wires used in the Model S and X. The Model Y, on the other hand, will only use 100 m of wiring, for a 95% reduction over the Model 3.
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