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**for the rich and for corporations. Fuck all of you dumbasses who are voting for me against your own interests
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I'm not comparing them, that's the point. I am simply stating that in this specific example, the GOP is way out of line for what is best for the country, in favor of what's best for their investors. There are plenty of examples of the Dems doing just that in other cases, but because of the topic of this specific thread, I am looking only at the given context. Where did you read in my post that I was making a comparison?

It's not always a goddamn contest, guys.
My question wasn't directly pointed at you, but you are comparing the two?
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"we" means "me and my closest sycophants" for Donald. always has, always will. fuck all the suckers out there falling for the con (apparently)

from the condo scams, to the knock-off Ronco infomercial crap, to the 'students' of Trump "University", to the suckers that he offloaded his debts onto when they thoughts they were buying into Trump casinos... everyone that isn't in his immediate circle gets burned by the snake oil salesman that is our current President.
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My question wasn't directly pointed at you, but you are comparing the two?
Are you asking me? No I'm not, and not sure why you'd think that without putting words in my mouth.
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You shouldnt see any of it. Its their money not yours.

Thats the whole democrate platform take from those who have and give to those that dont. Sounds a lot like socialism to me.
I meant the economy mostly. Kills the whole idea that the rich having more money is best for us all. It's not. It's bullshit that fox news feeds morons so they'll vote against their own interests to line the pockets of billionaires. And those said morons go on Internet forums and spread their talking points like gospel.
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After catch up reading....

Trickle down doesn't work, never has, and never will, and sure it's their money, but if it's their money and we have a flailing economy, then they need to produce more jobs.

and frankly, what about my fucking money? why should my money be taxed to cover the commercial sectors use of highways? why should MY taxed income go to big company bailouts or even bank bailouts?

I'm tired of the rich fucking up and getting richer of the backs of men and women in my position. you know why? because they loophole their globalistic corporations asses out of tax liability, yet they place some of the highest amounts of wear and tear on the transportation infrastructure. who picks up the tab? MIDDLE CLASS

when they damn near bankrupt themselves from shitty practices, who bails them out? MIDDLE CLASS

and it's not even them goin bankrupt, it's the companies, they give themselves fat ass multi million dollar pensions and stock options and float to the next piggy bank. the peopel who get fucked from the closure of the company from shitty CEO's? MIDDLE CLASS.

their money? MY ASS
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Trickle down doesn't work, never has, and never will, and sure it's their money, but if it's their money and we have a flailing economy, then they need to produce more jobs.

and frankly, what about my fucking money? why should my money be taxed to cover the commercial sectors use of highways? why should MY taxed income go to big company bailouts or even bank bailouts?

I'm tired of the rich fucking up and getting richer of the backs of men and women in my position. you know why? because they loophole their globalistic corporations asses out of tax liability, yet they place some of the highest amounts of wear and tear on the transportation infrastructure. who picks up the tab? MIDDLE CLASS

when they damn near bankrupt themselves from shitty practices, who bails them out? MIDDLE CLASS

and it's not even them goin bankrupt, it's the companies, they give themselves fat ass multi million dollar pensions and stock options and float to the next piggy bank. the peopel who get fucked from the closure of the company from shitty CEO's? MIDDLE CLASS.

their money? MY ASS

Then stop bitching and go make CEO.
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Then stop bitching and go make CEO.
So simple! Every poor person should just become a CEO. Amazing.
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Senate tax bill would cut taxes of wealthy and increase taxes on families earning less than $75,000 by 2027
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The tax bill Senate Republicans are championing would give large tax cuts to the rich while raising taxes on American families earning $10,000 to $75,000 over the next decade, according to a report released Thursday by the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’s official nonpartisan analysts.
President Trump and Republican lawmakers have been heralding their bill as a win for hard-working Americans, but the JCT report casts doubt on that claim. Tax increases for households earning $10,000 to $30,000 would start in 2021 and grow sharply from there, JCT found. By 2027, most Americans earning $75,000 a year or less would be forced to pay more in taxes, while people earning more than $100,000 a year would continue to pay less. The report generated intense debate on Capitol Hill.

Most of the hit to poor and working-class Americans would come from the Senate Republicans’ push to insert a major health care change into the tax bill. Republicans are repealing the requirement that all Americans buy health insurance or face a penalty, a move that would lead to 13 million more uninsured Americans, the Congressional Budget Office has said. Many of those people earn modest incomes and currently receive tax credits and subsidies from the government to help them afford insurance. If the Senate GOP bill becomes law, premiums are expected to rise and millions would likely opt not to buy insurance anymore, meaning their tax breaks would go away, explained Thomas Barthold, head of the JCT.


Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), the lead author of the GOP tax bill, dismissed the findings as an accounting gimmick.

“Anyone who says we’re hiking taxes on low-income families is misstating the facts,” he said. “Obviously we have no intention of raising taxes on those families. Every Republican on this committee has been committed to providing tax cuts for every income cohort.”

Hatch and other Republicans say that low-income people get a choice about whether to buy health insurance. If they no longer wish to do so, they would not get government subsidies anymore to help make their health insurance more affordable. JCT is calculating that as a tax increase, but Republicans say it is “ridiculous” to look at it that way. The subsidy was being paid to the insurance company, not to individuals.

“Did we take away their money? No,” says Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho). “There’s not $1 taken away from them if they make that choice” not to buy insurance.

But advocates for the poor say these people are worse off because they are losing insurance.

[House passes GOP tax bill, upping pressure on struggling Senate effort]
“If anything, the JCT tables understate the harm the proposal would do to low- and middle-income people, since they leave out both the coverage impacts in Medicaid and the premium increases millions of middle-income individual market consumers would face,” said Aviva Aron-Dine, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and a former member of President Obama’s administration.

Few people want to give up their health insurance. Republicans are repealing the individual mandate in order to pay for permanent corporate tax cuts, Aron-Dine argues, a bad trade for low and moderate-income Americans.

Democrats also point out that the Republican bill has a deeper problem than the insurance subsidies going away. By 2027, most Americans earning less than $75,000 will end up paying more in taxes. A big reason for that is that the individual tax cuts go away after 2025. Republicans opted to make the tax cuts for businesses permanent, but the cuts for individuals expire.

Wealthier Americans would still benefit from a permanent cut in the corporate tax rate, which will likely boost the incomes of people who owns companies or investments.

“What is happening now is just shameful,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said shortly after the JCT tables were released. “I don’t know how anybody can go home and explain why it’s a good idea to hike taxes on parents who barely stay afloat to pay for a massive corporate handout.”

Republicans asked JCT to run the analysis without taking into account the insurance mandate. As Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Penn.) noted, taxes go down for every income bracket in the coming years. The only exception is 2027, when taxes increase for those earning $75,000 or less.

Len Burman, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank, agrees with Republicans that the JCT report is “misleading.”

“This is not a burden increase,” Burman tweeted Thursday. The Tax Policy Center plans to release its own analysis soon. Unlike JCT, Burman says his organization won’t be counting the insurance subsidy losses as tax increases on the poor.

The middle class also would suffer in 2027 because the Republican plan is structured in a way that would cause more and more Americans to pay higher rates as time goes on. At the moment, tax brackets are based on income, and those brackets rise a bit by inflation every year. But the GOP wants to change that to a slower inflation measure, meaning more people will fall into higher brackets each year.


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Sounds like I need to start making more money, else I get hit with the Trump poor tax
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Let me know when you are ready to start your restaurant career
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Got any M-F 9-5 positions paying $75,001/year that don't require that I (literally) suck dick? If so, Sign me up for an interview!

Edit: who am I kidding... the dick sucking thing is pretty negotiable.
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Got any M-F 9-5 positions paying $75,001/year that don't require that I (literally) suck dick? If so, Sign me up for an interview!

Edit: who am I kidding... the dick sucking thing is pretty negotiable.

Can’t get you out of an hourly position with that availability. I could get you north of $20/hr, 401k, dental, major medical, stock purchase program, etc.

Still gonna have to pay the poor person tax with that one

Open up your availability, along with your mind as it relates to your development, and you can get to six figures within a few years.

Especially if you are geographically flexible.
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Can’t get you out of an hourly position with that availability. I could get you north of $20/hr, 401k, dental, major medical, stock purchase program, etc.

Still gonna have to pay the poor person tax with that one

Open up your availability, along with your mind as it relates to your development, and you can get to six figures within a few years.

Especially if you are geographically flexible.
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Legitimately, if you're being serious, I appreciate the offer... but I am building my way up right now to substantially increasing my take-home. Just need a little bit more experience where I'm at before I am able to make a career move.
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Not sure why they make you use two calculators... but this allows you to see the kind of savings/cost you'll see under the current proposed tax bills.

For me I should be saving $3,300-$5,600 per year in taxes if they pass as-is. Pretty amazing amount of money for my family.

Plug information into this link for Trump Tax Bill Owed - https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/...orm-calculator

Then plug information into this for current Tax Bill Owed - https://www.moneyhelpcenter.com/taxe...ax-calculator/

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Not sure why they make you use two calculators... but this allows you to see the kind of savings/cost you'll see under the current proposed tax bills.

For me I should be saving $3,300-$5,600 per year in taxes if they pass as-is. Pretty amazing amount of money for my family.

Plug information into this link for Trump Tax Bill Owed - https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/...orm-calculator

Then plug information into this for current Tax Bill Owed - https://www.moneyhelpcenter.com/taxe...ax-calculator/

Are you up or down?
That's specifically for the first year. As pointed out by the JCT, the tax benefits diminish over the next 10 years, eventually increasing for people below the $75k/yr income line. For the short term, it's pretty cool. Long term, it eventually will hurt the majority of people it appears.

Using those two calculators, I should save ~$3000 in taxesin the first year.
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That's specifically for the first year. As pointed out by the JCT, the tax benefits diminish over the next 10 years, eventually increasing for people below the $75k/yr income line. For the short term, it's pretty cool. Long term, it eventually will hurt the majority of people it appears.

Using those two calculators, I should save ~$3000 in taxesin the first year.
Based on the above shared article, I think that is very much not the case.

They are saying changes in health insurance/healthcare laws, might have that effect on those people. The tax benefits are remaining the same, unless I missed it.
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oh how exciting! I get a fun tax cut on the backs of other Americans and thanks to pretending like adding $1.5T to the deficit (the the interest to service that debt) is remotely fiscally responsible!
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Based on the above shared article, I think that is very much not the case.

They are saying changes in health insurance/healthcare laws, might have that effect on those people. The tax benefits are remaining the same, unless I missed it.
They're removing health care tax credits and more importantly, individual tax cuts expire in 2025 (as opposed to corporate tax cuts that are indefinite).
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Based on the above shared article, I think that is very much not the case.

They are saying changes in health insurance/healthcare laws, might have that effect on those people. The tax benefits are remaining the same, unless I missed it.
nope. those people get fucked after 10 years because in order to pass the laws without needing to get any Dem support they have to be able to use reconciliation and reconciliation is subject to the Byrd Rule which states that it must be deficit neutral after 10 years. in order to make the estate tax cuts and corporate tax cuts permanent (subsidize corporations/corporate donors), the tax cuts utilized by the overwhelming majority of Americans are phased out at 10 years so those taxes go back up.

the GOP argument on why its okay to plan on fucking over the majority of America is currently that once the taxes are cut, nobody will allow them to go back up in 2027 so we'll just have to figure out a solution then... you know like responsible grown ups do; "I can't afford the payments on this car for more than 6 months but I want it so I'm going to buy it now and I'll love driving it so much that'll hate the idea of not having it so I'll just figure out what to do with the rest of the 66-month note later"

Step 1 - cut taxes and finance with debt
Step 2 - face the entirely planned and intentional prospect of tax cuts ending for the majority of Americans
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - profit

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nope. those people get fucked after 10 years because in order to pass the laws without needing to get any Dem support they have to be able to use reconciliation and reconciliation is subject to the Byrd Rule which states that it must be deficit neutral after 10 years. in order to make the estate tax cuts and corporate tax cuts permanent (subsidize corporations/corporate donors), the tax cuts utilized by the overwhelming majority of Americans are phased out at 10 years so those taxes go back up.

the GOP argument on why its okay to plan on fucking over the majority of America is currently that once the taxes are cut, nobody will allow them to go back up in 2027 so we'll just have to figure out a solution then... you know like responsible grown ups do; "I can't afford the payments on this car for more than 6 months but I want it so I'm going to buy it now and I'll love driving it so much that'll hate the idea of not having it so I'll just figure out what to do with the rest of the 66-month note later"

Step 1 - cut taxes and finance with debt
Step 2 - face the entirely planned and intentional prospect of tax cuts ending for the majority of Americans
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - profit

solid plan
I'd prefer to see a bipartisan approach... but I don't believe either side would let that happen right now. Politics > Actual people's lives.

So given how Washington works now, I got no problem with it... We get a 10yr tax break, and we'll get to see (unless it's changed in 2018/2020 by incoming democrats) how cutting corporate taxes to be lower than much of the world versus higher works out. We know more tax bills will come over time, I'll take the savings while I can get it.

I do want them to cut spending as well... but I knew that wasn't' going to happen... the R's spend just as much as the D's... and are assholes for it just as equally.
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