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The thing that doubly blows my mind about these dudes is like, even if you were a POS, couldnt you exercise some common sense? Like Lauer makes like $25 million a year. That is real money, money that could be used to travel to some place where you could be as big a piece of shit as possible and corrupt officials would gladly cover it up.

But instead you do it AT YOUR JOB. You know, the place that pays you $25 million a year? Like, shit, I see a hottie at work and the little devil in my brain is like "daaaamnn," and Ill do a double take or something. But there are about at thousand reasons coming from the other side for me to NOT take my cock out. I mean its not like I have you remind myself, you just know. Just like fire = hot, I dont need to burn my hand to know that. One of those reasons is my job pays me, but not even $25mil, and yet that reason alone would be enough for me to ignore the little devil.
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If my daughter came home and cried assault for someone touching her like that, and the story started with her getting drunk and willingly getting in bed with the guy, I’d tell her she asked for it.
WOW. Quite the dad and understanding of the crap girls and woman go through with men, especially in their early lives. I personally know of very few woman that haven't been sexually assaulted in some shape or form (grope, forced kiss, date rape) between 13 and through their 20s or so. Almost all of them have stories.

IMO, a girl can be drunk and naked in your bed and that still doesn't give you the right to grope or assault them if they're not coming on to you. Would you do that to your wife?
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WOW. Quite the dad and understanding of the crap girls and woman go through with men, especially in their early lives. I personally know of very few woman that haven't been sexually assaulted in some shape or form (grope, forced kiss, date rape) between 13 and through their 20s or so. Almost all of them have stories.

IMO, a girl can be drunk and naked in your bed and that still doesn't give you the right to grope or assault them if they're not coming on to you. Would you do that to your wife?


Well first off, I don’t have to do that with my wife. I just snap my fingers and the magic happens

Secondly, you’ll see the comment you quoted was made before 77nova posted that she was sound asleep. The guy was most certainly and 100% in the wrong.

I’d still tell my daughter she had no business doing what she did. It’s a complete lack of situational awareness, and that’s how a great many people become victims.
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IMO, a girl can be drunk and naked in your bed and that still doesn't give you the right to grope or assault them if they're not coming on to you. Would you do that to your wife?
You're asking if I would try to cop a feel if my wife was drunk and naked in my bed?

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You're asking if I would try to cop a feel if my wife was drunk and naked in my bed?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

LOL.


I’m reasonably sure that Dave B is in a sexless marriage. He’d hate to disrespect his wife and lay a hand on her....
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I'm 100% behind the idea that the sex offender registry needs reform, if for no other reason than it equates all crimes and encourages recidivism through social ostracizing.

but as the way the system sits today, the kid committed what is hopefully the worst mistake of his life which pretty well fits the standard definition of a sex crime because the victim, despite having helped bring the situation about, was not able to (while sleeping) and did not (while awake) consent. yes, ideally she would've just slept on the floor, or a bed without sheets, or made him sleep on the bed without sheets or a million other things that both of them could've done, but legally its not on her to figure out how to avoid him committing that crime.



I'll cop to being quite conflicted about the idea that all interoffice relationships between people at different levels of power are basically, by definition, a form of harassment, etc... but that's the reality of how society views that now and I can see how it could be in certain situations so, yeah, when that happens the person on the higher rung of power is taking that risk. consciously or unconsciously, they are opening themselves up to that possibility. you can make a moral stand ala Don Quixote to proverbially piss in the wind on that one but then you can't really claim to be all that surprised when you get wet.
its a shitty deal but if you didn't know it was a possibility when you did it, it was because you weren't paying attention.
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I'm 100% behind the idea that the sex offender registry needs reform, if for no other reason than it equates all crimes and encourages recidivism through social ostracizing.

but as the way the system sits today, the kid committed what is hopefully the worst mistake of his life which pretty well fits the standard definition of a sex crime because the victim, despite having helped bring the situation about, was not able to (while sleeping) and did not (while awake) consent. yes, ideally she would've just slept on the floor, or a bed without sheets, or made him sleep on the bed without sheets or a million other things that both of them could've done, but legally its not on her to figure out how to avoid him committing that crime.



I'll cop to being quite conflicted about the idea that all interoffice relationships between people at different levels of power are basically, by definition, a form of harassment, etc... but that's the reality of how society views that now and I can see how it could be in certain situations so, yeah, when that happens the person on the higher rung of power is taking that risk. consciously or unconsciously, they are opening themselves up to that possibility. you can make a moral stand ala Don Quixote to proverbially piss in the wind on that one but then you can't really claim to be all that surprised when you get wet.
its a shitty deal but if you didn't know it was a possibility when you did it, it was because you weren't paying attention.
Completely agree on fixing the registry.

On the rest.. same shit different topic. We constantly OVER-correct on issues. We as society were absolutely shameful in treatment of women, sexual harassment, and worse. Now we've overcorrected to the point where many believe you are committing offense by asking out someone who has a lower job station than you. I get it... I'm just appalled by it.
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IMO, a girl can be drunk and naked in your bed and that still doesn't give you the right to grope or assault them if they're not coming on to you. Would you do that to your wife?
OMFG... are you seriously saying you ask your wife's permission prior to touching her?
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So what I'm getting is that even if any girl, wife or not, is drunk and naked in your bed, if she isn't coming onto you, it's ASSault to cum on her.
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So what I'm getting is that even if any girl, wife or not, is drunk and naked in your bed, if she isn't coming onto you, it's ASSault to cum on her.
I don't think you'll have to worry about that, fella.
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OMFG... are you seriously saying you ask your wife's permission prior to touching her?
No, you're misunderstanding what I said. The example I'm describing is if your was incapacitated. There is a difference.

jwd is of the mindset that if you're a women and are sending potential sexual signals then it's their fault if those signals are misinterpreted and/or intentionally violated by other party. They asked for it. That's pretty damn sad and why men got away with so much for so long and why now there's such a backlash. I do agree with you that it's likely now to the point of over-correction too.

I know too many women this has happened to and the mental impact it carries. Some deal with it better than others.
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No, you're misunderstanding what I said. The example I'm describing is if your was incapacitated. There is a difference.

jwd is of the mindset that if you're a women and are sending potential sexual signals then it's their fault if those signals are misinterpreted and/or intentionally violated by other party. They asked for it. That's pretty damn sad and why men got away with so much for so long and why now there's such a backlash. I do agree with you that it's likely now to the point of over-correction too.

I know too many women this has happened to and the mental impact it carries. Some deal with it better than others.
You know that many women it has happen to on a personal level? It begs the question..........
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You know that many women it has happen to on a personal level? It begs the question..........
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Its becoming so muddied that there will be no way to know if you are assaulting someone or not. Just like the girls that did porn with the KC guy, didn't get paid, and then claimed rape a while back. That is not rape.

Grab some butt cheek and kiss a girl that's flirting with you.... DID YOU ASK!!!
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I don't think you'll have to worry about that, fella.
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You know that many women it has happen to on a personal level? It begs the question..........
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Talking to the girls I know, a lot of them have experienced legitimate physical sexual harassment to some degree. It is a real problem. It's not a very small amount of isolated incidents that very few girls actually experience. It actually is a lot more rampant than that.
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I drove past a bumper sticker today that said 'Save a life, grope your wife' for breast cancer awareness. Hope the person doesn't get charged with inciting sexual assault...

Maybe one day we'll all have sexual interactions like Demolition Man... no touching, just VR.

But who knows, maybe girls won't want to use their roommate's VR headset and decided to head down the hall to share some poor guy's VR headset and he'll get charged w/ virtual sexual assault.
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I personally know three that were date raped in high school and/or college. None of the women reported it because they all felt like it was their fault. Imagine that. I also know many girls that were groped/grabbed, forced kissed, groped or kissed while semi-blacking out from being drunk by guys they knew and trusted. All the women I know with these stories are from JOCO, nice neighborhoods, and far from what I'd ever consider promiscuous or a tease. Most women have a story, some worse than others.
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Most women have a story, some worse than others.

Most women have a story - and when a person is upfront that they think that it’s “probably her fault” because she was drinking, wearing, etc... they probably aren’t going to be sharing it with that person.

Regardless of whether it was her fault, not her fault, whatever - it’s probably something that has taken an emotional toll on her.
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Rampant sexual abuse finally exposed

And it took Trump to be elected to do it.

I am still stuck back here at the beginning.

Are you positing this as a positive thing he can lay claim to as an achievement or as a positive trend started by his outrageous personal behavior and verbal claim of being a sexual predator himself?
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I am still stuck back here at the beginning.

Are you positing this as a positive thing he can lay claim to as an achievement or as a positive trend started by his outrageous personal behavior and verbal claim of being a sexual predator himself?
This was a typical leftist ploy to try and get rid of trump. It didnt work. They pulled it out to get rid os ailes and orielly that worked. Now thus emboldened all the women that were abused by people on the left and they came forward in droves.

Its a good thing been going on far to long and the good ol boys club kept it quiet. Butnot any longer.
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This was a typical leftist ploy to try and get rid of trump. It didnt work. They pulled it out to get rid os ailes and orielly that worked. Now thus emboldened all the women that were abused by people on the left and they came forward in droves.

Its a good thing been going on far to long and the good ol boys club kept it quiet. Butnot any longer.
So partially the latter?
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