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North Korea delivers new round of war rhetoric, claims it has 'powerful striking means'


April 10, 2013: A North Korean soldier, center top, looks at the southern side as South Korean soldiers stand guard at the border village of Panmunjom, which has separated the two Koreas since the Korean War, in Paju, north of Seoul, South Korea. The prospect of a North Korean missile launch is "considerably high," South Korea's foreign minister told lawmakers Wednesday as Pyongyang prepared to mark the April 15 birthday of its founder, historically a time when it seeks to draw the world's attention with dramatic displays of military power. (AP)

PYONGYANG, North Korea – North Korea delivered a fresh round of rhetoric Thursday with claims it had "powerful striking means" on standby for a launch, while Seoul and Washington speculated that the country is preparing to test a medium-range missile during upcoming national celebrations.
On the streets of Pyongyang, meanwhile, North Koreans celebrated the anniversary of leader Kim Jong Un's appointment to the country's top party post — one in a slew of titles collected a year ago in the months after father Kim Jong Il's death.
The Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland, a nonmilitary agency that deals with relations with South Korea, didn't elaborate on its warning of a strike. The statement is the latest in a torrent of warlike threats seen outside Pyongyang as an effort to raise fears and pressure Seoul and Washington into changing their North Korea policy.
Officials in Seoul and Washington say Pyongyang appears to be preparing to test-fire a medium-range missile designed to reach the U.S. territory of Guam in the Pacific Ocean.
Such a launch would violate U.N. Security Council resolutions prohibiting North Korea from nuclear and ballistic missile activity, and mark a major escalation in Pyongyang's standoff with neighboring nations and the U.S.
North Korea already has been punished in recent months for launching a long-range rocket in December and conducting an underground nuclear test in February.
Analysts do not believe North Korea will stage an attack similar to the one that started the Korean War in 1950. But there are concerns that the animosity could spark a skirmish that could escalate into a serious conflict.
"North Korea has been, with its bellicose rhetoric, with its actions ... skating very close to a dangerous line," U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in Washington on Wednesday. "Their actions and their words have not helped defuse a combustible situation."
The missile that officials believe Pyongyang is readying has been dubbed the "Musudan" by foreign experts after the northeastern village where North Korea has a launch pad. The missile has a range of 3,500 kilometers (2,180 miles) and is designed to reach U.S. military installments in Guam and Japan, experts say.
Bracing for a launch, officials said could take place at any time, Seoul deployed three naval destroyers, an early warning surveillance aircraft and a land-based radar system, a Defense Ministry official said in Seoul, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department rules. Japan deployed PAC-3 missile interceptors around Tokyo.
But officials in Seoul played down security fears, noting that no foreign government has evacuated its citizens from either Korean capital.
"North Korea has continuously issued provocative threats and made efforts to raise tension on the Korean peninsula ... but the current situation is being managed safely and our and foreign governments have been calmly responding," Foreign Ministry spokesman Cho Tai-young told reporters Thursday.
The war talk is seen as a way for North Korea to draw attention to the precariousness of the security situation on the Korean Peninsula and to boost the military credentials of young leader Kim Jong Un.
The Korean War ended in 1953 with a truce, not a peace treaty, and the U.S. and North Korea do not have diplomatic relations.
For weeks, the U.S. and South Korea have staged annual military drills meant to show the allies' military might. North Korea condemns the drills as rehearsal for an invasion.
Citing the tensions, North Korea on Monday pulled more than 50,000 workers from the Kaesong industrial park, which combines South Korean technology and know-how with cheap North Korean labor. It was the first time that production was stopped at the decade-old factory park, the only remaining symbol of economic cooperation between the Koreas.
South Korea's point man on North Korea, Unification Minister Ryoo Kihl-jae, urged Pyongyang to stop heightening tensions and to discuss the restart of operations in Kaesong.
In Pyongyang, meanwhile, there was no sense of panic. Across the city, workers were rolling out sod and preparing the city for a series of April holidays.
North Korean students put on suits and traditional dresses to celebrate Kim Jong Un's appointment as first secretary of the Workers' Party a year ago.
A flower show and art performances are scheduled over the next few days in the lead-up to the nations' biggest holiday, the April 15 birthday of North Korea founder Kim Il Sung, grandfather of the current leader.
No military parade or mass events were expected over the coming week, but North Korea historically uses major holidays to show off its military power, and analysts say Pyongyang could well mark the occasion with a provocative missile launch in defiance of U.N. Security Council resolutions barring the North from nuclear and missile activity.
"However tense the situation is, we will mark the Day of the Sun in a significant way," Kim Kwang Chon, a Pyongyang citizen, told The Associated Press, referring to the April 15 birthday. "We will celebrate the Day of the Sun even if war breaks out tomorrow."
During last year's celebrations, North Korea failed in an attempt to send a satellite into space aboard a long-range rocket. The U.S. and its allies criticized the launch as a covert test of ballistic missile technology.
A subsequent test in December was successful, and that was followed by the country's third underground nuclear test on Feb. 12, possibly taking the regime closer to mastering the technology for mounting an atomic weapon on a missile.
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I have some Q's. Im trying to keep up with all this and understand it the best I can and I may not remember exact details so please respectfully correct me if im wrong or off on facts. Thanks.

Ok so how many soldiers does the U.S. military have(all branches)?

What percent of our soldiers or in another country fighting a war?

There is what 176(?) countries in the world and the U.S. has military bases in 134(?)? Each base has to have x amount of soldiers.

With the NK issue at least we are putting more soldiers near there, right?

What is the percent of soldiers stationed outside the U.S. compared to those on U.S. soil?
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I have some Q's. Im trying to keep up with all this and understand it the best I can and I may not remember exact details so please respectfully correct me if im wrong or off on facts. Thanks.

Ok so how many soldiers does the U.S. military have(all branches)?

What percent of our soldiers or in another country fighting a war?

There is what 176(?) countries in the world and the U.S. has military bases in 134(?)? Each base has to have x amount of soldiers.

With the NK issue at least we are putting more soldiers near there, right?

What is the percent of soldiers stationed outside the U.S. compared to those on U.S. soil?

realistically I don't think they'd ever reveal exacts and whereabouts due to opsec
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I dont have all those numbers off the top of my head, but I do remember doing research to come up with the percentage of total troops deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan at their heights. It was under 10%. I think like 8.xxxx% or something like that. Currently, its like less than 1% in each of those countries id be willing to bet.

I am stationed outside the US, and could be dropped anywhere in the world within 18 hours, so just because people are stationed outside the US doesnt mean they cant be utilized.

There are FARRRRR more stationed in the US than out of the US.
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don't forget all the once-a-month bullet sponges out there
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Huh?

Are you referring to NG and Reserves?

When I did my figuring to get what percentage of US military deployed, I included the ENTIRE military.
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Oh look! more of shaun y's stereotyping.


Look at that list of "once-a-month bullet sponges"

"National Guard Medal of Honor Recipients by State

Each Recipient's name is linked to his Medal of Honor Citation.

ALABAMA

Corporal Sidney E. Manning (WWI)

Major Charles W. Davis (WWII-Pacific)



ARIZONA

Bacon, Nicky Daniel (Vietnam)

Chief Warrant Officer Frederick Edgar Ferguson (Vietnam)



CALIFORNIA

Major General William F. Dean (Korea)

Captain Reginald B. Desidero (Korea)

Captain Nelson M. Holderman (WWI)

Second Lieutenant Robert M. Viale (WWII)



COLORADO

Lieutenant Colonel William R. Grove (Phil-Ins)



CONNECTICUT

First Lieutenant Robert B. Nett (WWII-Pacific)

First Lieutenant Lee R. Hartell (Korea)



DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Specialist Fourth Class Alfred V. Rascon (Vietnam)

First Lieutenant George Shaw (Phil-Ins)



IDAHO

Private Lloyd G. McCarter (WWII-Pacific)

Private Thomas C. Neibaur (WWI)

Major Bernard Francis Fisher (Vietnam)



ILLINOIS

Corporal Jack Allex (WWI)

First Sergeant Johannes S. Anderson (WWI)

First Sergeant Sydney G. Gumpertz (WWI)

Corporal Ralyn Hill (WWI)

Sergeant Sammy L. Davis (Vietnam)

Private Berger Loman (WWI)

Corporal Thomas A. Pope (WWI)



INDIANA

Captain George W. Biegler (Phil-Ins)

Staff Sergeant Thomas E. McCall (WWI)



KANSAS

Second Lieutenant Erwin R. Bleckley (WWI)

First Lieutenant Arthur M. Ferguson (Phil-Ins)

Colonel Frederick Funston (Sp-Am)

Sergeant John A Huntsman (Phil-Ins)

Private William B. Tremby (Sp-Am)

Private Edward White (Sp-Am)

Hospital Corpsman Third Class Donald E. Ballard (Vietnam)



MAINE

Captain Lewis L. Millett (Korea)



MARYLAND

Private Henery G. Costin (WWI)



MASSACHUSETTS

First Lieutenant Raymond Beaudoin (WWII)

Staff Sergeant George J. Hall (WWII)

Private First Class Michael J. Perkins (WWI)

Sergeant First Class Charles W. Turner (Korea)



MICHIGAN

Private Charles Cawetzka (Phil Ins)

First Lieutenant Harold A. Furlong (WWI)

Staff Sergeant John C. Sjogren (WWII)

Private First Class Dirk J. Vlug (WWII)

Sergeant Oscar G. Johnson (WWII)

Pharmacist's Mate First Class Francis Pierce, Jr. (Vietnam)



MISSOURI

Captain Charles A. Lindbergh (Peacetime Aviation)

Captain Alexander R. Skinker (WWI)

First Lieutenant Archie Miller (Phil-Ins)



MONTANA

Captain John E. Moran (Phil-Ins)



NEW HAMPSHIRE

Private First Class George Dilboy (WWII)



NEW JERSEY

First Lieutenant Francis X. Burke (WWII)

Castle, Frederick W. (WWII)

Chaplin (Major) Charles Joseph Watters (Vietnam)



NEW YORK

Sergeant Thomas A. Baker (WWII)

Second Lieutenant John E. Butts (WWII)

Sergeant Michael A. Donaldson (WWII)

Lieutenant Colonel William J. Donovan (WWII)

Sergeant Alan L. Eggers (WWI)

Second Lieutenant Almond E. Fisher (WWII)

Private First Class Frank Gaffney (WWI)

Sergeant John C. Latham (WWI)

Lieutenant Colonel William J. O'Brien (WWII)

Sergeant Richard W. O'Neil (WWI)

Corporal Thomas E. O'Shea (WWI)

Roosevelt, Theodore (Sp-AM)

First Lieutenant Charles W. Shea (WWII)

First Lieutenant William B. Turner (WWI)

Private Michael Valente (WWI)

Sergeant Reider Waaler (WWI)



NORTH CAROLINA

Private Robert L. Blackwell (WWI)



NORTH DAKOTA

Corporal Frank L. Anders (Phil-Ins)

Private Otto Boehler (Phil-Ins)

Private Charles P. Davis (Phil-Ins)

Private Willis H. Downs (Phil-Ins)

Artificer Sterling Galt (Phil-Ins)

Private Gotfred Jensen (Phil-Ins)

Master Sergeant Keeble, Woodrow W. (Korea)

Private John B. Kinne (Phil-Ins)

Private Frank F. Ross (Phil-Ins)

Private Thomas Slettleland (Phil-Ins)



OHIO

First Lieutenant Charles G. Bickham (Phil-Ins)

Technical Sergeant Forest E. Everhart (WWII)

Private First Class (USMC) William A. Foster (WWII)

Master Sergeant Webb C. Hayes(Phil-Ins)

Private First Class Frank J. Petrarca (WWII)

Sergeant Gordon R. Roberts (Vietnam)

Private Rodger W. Young (WWII)



OKLAHOMA

Second Lieutenant Ernest Childers (WWI)

First Lieutenant Jack C. Montgomery (WWI)

Corporal Harold L. Turner (WWI)



OREGON

Private Frank C. High (Phil-Ins)

Private Marcus W. Robertson (Phil-Ins)

Private Edward E. Lyon (Phil-Ins)



PENNSYLVANIA

Sergeant James I. Mestrovich (WWI)

Major Joseph H. Thompson (WWI)



SOUTH CAROLINA

First Lieutenant James C. Dozier (WWI)

Sergeant Gary E. Foster (WWI)

Sergeant Thomas L. Hall (WWI)

Sergeant Richard H. Hilton (WWI)

Corporal James D. Heriot (WWI)

Corporal John C. Villepigue (WWI)



SOUTH DAKOTA

Captain (USMC) Joseph J. Foss (WWII)

Specialist Four Michael Fitzmaurice (Vietnam)



TENNESSEE

Sergeant Joseph B. Adkison (WWI)

Sergeant Gary E. Foster (WWI)

Sergeant Thomas L. Hall (WWI)

Sergeant Richard H. Hilton (WWI)

Corporal James D. Heriot (WWI)



TEXAS

First Lieutenant Jack L. Knight (WWII)

Sergeant James M. Logan (WWI)

Second Lieutenant Audie L. Murphy (WWII)

Corporal Samuel H. Sampler (WWI)



Vermont

Merritt Austin Edson (WWII)



VIRGINIA

Sergeant Earl D. Gregory (WWI)

Technical Sergeant Frank D. Peregory (WWII)



WASHINGTON

Major Bruce P. Crandall (Vietnam)



WEST VIRGINIA

Corporal Antonie A. Gaujot (Phil-Ins)

Captain Julien E. Gaujot (Mexico)



WISCONSIN

First Sergeant Elmer J. Burr (WWII)

Sergeant Kenneth E. Gruennert (WWII)

Staff Sergeant Gerald L. Endl (WWII)"
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it was a joke. however poor taste it was in, quit being a vagina and get over it.
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it was a joke. however poor taste it was in, quit being a vagina and get over it.

I am not being a "vagina" and there is nothing for me to get over, but I will continue to call you out on your constant need to stereotype everyone, also this is not the section for jokes take that to AAG.
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yes sir. i didn't mean to cause an offense to your fragile ego.
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yes sir. i didn't mean to cause an offense to your fragile ego.
And you continue to act like a child.
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Told you...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

North Korea lowering their missiles.
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still a few days before the celebration due to Kim Il Sung
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still a few days before the celebration due to Kim Il Sung
so you're telling me that we could wipe them all out at once, in a few days, lol.
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so you're telling me that we could wipe them all out at once, in a few days, lol.
well the streets of Pyongyang will be flooded with people..suuuure why not
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well the streets of Pyongyang will be flooded with people..suuuure why not
wouldn't it be a shame if "one of their missiles malfuntioned"?
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Told you...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

North Korea lowering their missiles.
Clicking that link now says that the DIA believes that NK can put a nuke on a missile.

EDIT:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...udan-missiles/

And according to this, arty shells and ammo is being moved to the DMZ along w/ other missile batteries being readied. Looking for confirmation on other websites.

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North Korean Missile Test Delayed by Windows 8



PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report)—North Korea’s official news agency announced today that the military’s planned missile test had been put on hold because of “problems with Windows 8.”
Intelligence analysts said that the announcement gave rare insight into the inner workings of North Korea’s missile program, which until last year had been running on Windows 95.
The announcement from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) did not indicate a new scheduled time for a missile test, saying only that it was “working with Windows 8 support to resolve the issue.”
In the words of one intelligence analyst, “That means the test been delayed indefinitely.”
A source close to the North Korean regime reported that Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un is furious about the Windows 8 problems and is considering a number of options, including declaring war on Microsoft.
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PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report)—North Korea’s official news agency announced today that the military’s planned missile test had been put on hold because of “problems with Windows 8.”
Intelligence analysts said that the announcement gave rare insight into the inner workings of North Korea’s missile program, which until last year had been running on Windows 95.
The announcement from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) did not indicate a new scheduled time for a missile test, saying only that it was “working with Windows 8 support to resolve the issue.”
In the words of one intelligence analyst, “That means the test been delayed indefinitely.”
A source close to the North Korean regime reported that Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un is furious about the Windows 8 problems and is considering a number of options, including declaring war on Microsoft.
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I dont have all those numbers off the top of my head, but I do remember doing research to come up with the percentage of total troops deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan at their heights. It was under 10%. I think like 8.xxxx% or something like that. Currently, its like less than 1% in each of those countries id be willing to bet.

I am stationed outside the US, and could be dropped anywhere in the world within 18 hours, so just because people are stationed outside the US doesnt mean they cant be utilized.

There are FARRRRR more stationed in the US than out of the US.
Those numbers just seem low but I asked for a reason lol And im not saying they cant be utilized. Im sure they can be moved quickly. That's not where im going with this tho.

Is there any casualty numbers est daily? Or weekly? Im looking for any casualty loss rate as accurate as possible along with some numbers on approximate total troops our military holds.

Ive seen stats on other countries totals but not ours. If no one knows can someone point me in the correct direction? As close to accurate as possible from a credible source?
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realistically I don't think they'd ever reveal exacts and whereabouts due to opsec
You are probably right but (this may be a dumb question) what is opsec? lol
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Operational security. It means the information is sensitive and can't be shared.

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Operations Security

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  1. dentification of Critical Information: Identifying information needed by an adversary, which focuses the remainder of the OPSEC process on protecting vital information, rather than attempting to protect all classified or sensitive unclassified information.
  2. Analysis of Threats: the research and analysis of intelligence, counterintelligence, and open source information to identify likely adversaries to a planned operation.
  3. Analysis of Vulnerabilities: examining each aspect of the planned operation to identify OPSEC indicators that could reveal critical information and then comparing those indicators with the adversary’s intelligence collection capabilities identified in the previous action.
  4. Assessment of Risk: First, planners analyze the vulnerabilities identified in the previous action and identify possible OPSEC measures for each vulnerability. Second, specific OPSEC measures are selected for execution based upon a risk assessment done by the commander and staff.
  5. Application of Appropriate OPSEC Measures: The command implements the OPSEC measures selected in the assessment of risk action or, in the case of planned future operations and activities, includes the measures in specific OPSEC plans.[1]
  6. Assessment of Insider Knowledge: Assessing and ensuring employees, contractors, and key personnel having access to critical or sensitive information practice and maintain proper OPSEC measures by organizational security elements; whether by open assessment or covert assessment in order to evaluate the information being processed and/or handled on all levels of operatability (employees/mid-level/senior management) and prevent unintended/intentional disclosure.
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Those numbers just seem low but I asked for a reason lol And im not saying they cant be utilized. Im sure they can be moved quickly. That's not where im going with this tho.

Is there any casualty numbers est daily? Or weekly? Im looking for any casualty loss rate as accurate as possible along with some numbers on approximate total troops our military holds.

Ive seen stats on other countries totals but not ours. If no one knows can someone point me in the correct direction? As close to accurate as possible from a credible source?
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OPerations SECurity.

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As of 31 January 2013, 1,429,995 people were on active duty in the armed forces,[2] with an additional 850,880 people in the seven reserve components.[3]
That doesnt include the Inactive Ready Reserves though. That number is also MUCH lower than what it was at the height of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars.

Even if we had 200,000 troops deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time (dont think we ever did), that would be less than 10% of the almost 2.3 million troops we have ready to go.

We didnt use hardly ANY of our forces in these recent wars. Gives you some idea of what could happen if we did a full WWII style blitz somewhere. It wouldnt be pretty for whoever it is we would be invading.


As for casualty numbers. That is always a great unknown. There are "expected" casualty rates in all different types of attack methods. An airborne drop? a bombing raid? a marine landing? tank/heavy mechanized campaign? All of those have their own rates determined by many things outside what any of us really could know presently.

Ive said it before, this doesnt seem like it would be a ground war at all from the US side. We have wayyyyyyy too many air and sea assets sitting idle to risk large US Infantry losses when it could turn into another Vietnam tunnel war.
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