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Here's What Toyota Said About A Manual Supra

It's a question worth asking because Japan could be on the cusp of getting a three-pedal Supra.
And just in case there hasn’t been enough Supra news lately, here’s another helping. It comes courtesy of Automobile’s latest exchange with a Toyota representative about the chances of a manual Supra coming to market. The round of questioning was spurred when BMW announced a widespread revamp of 11 models, which included a horsepower upgrade for the M550i xDrive, new tech for the X2, and the inclusion of a manual transmission for the Z4 sDrive20i.
Our interest, as well as Automobile’s, was piqued by that last piece of news because the Toyota Supra is essentially a cheaper and slightly modified version of the Z4. That means any upgrades it receives, including a manual transmission, could presumably be added to the Supra with ease.






So when Automobile heard that the BMW Z4 was getting a manual, it reached out to Toyota to see if the gearbox would eventually trickle down to the Supra. Toyota replied, saying, "We may have heard a time or two (or more) that there’s a desire for a manual transmission in the Supra. However, we’re confident in the performance of the current setup . . . We feel it’s the optimal combination for the U.S. market at this time and we’re anxious for customers to drive the new Supra and experience it for themselves. We’ll be sure to check back into the conversation at that time and see what people have to say.”
To be fair, Toyota has a point. With the manual take rate of an enthusiast’s car like the 86 so low, it’s reasonable to expect a manual Supra to sell poorly enough that it makes the venture unworthy of Toyota’s investment dollars. And then there’s the biggest hurdle: the engine that comes under the hood of US-market Supras.




Unlike the American Supra, the BMW Z4 comes with a variety of engines including a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder that’s packed into the sDrive30i (which has a similar engine to the sDrive20i with the new manual option), and the 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six mill that the sDrive M40i shares with the Toyota Supra. Given that the manual is only slated for (and presumably only designed for) the four-cylinder Z4, and because that engine isn’t available in the US market Toyota Supra, it’s unlikely that gearbox makes it to Supras stationed stateside.
Of course, Toyota could just go ahead and give the US-market Supra the Z4’s 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine, since it already offers the motor to Japanese Supra buyers and because the engine is already certified to sell in the US. Parsing the word choice in Toyota’s statement leaves open the possibility that Supras in markets offering the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine could get the Z4’s new manual. And the Toyota spokesperson encouraging US buyers to try out the current Supra could indicate that the Japanese automaker does have plans for a manual to make it to US Supras but doesn’t want buyers to hold off from buying the current Supra because of it. As always, we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
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The 2020 Toyota Supra Wants To Take On The Porsche 718 Cayman, Can It Succeed?








Porsche and Toyota are rarely mentioned in the same sentence, but it’s going to be more common in the future as the 2020 GR Supra was created with the express purpose of battling the 718 Cayman.


While some people might laugh this off, the Supra is an interesting competitor for a number of reasons including its use of a BMW-sourced turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. The Cayman has also gone the turbocharged route, but it relies on mid-mounted 2.0- and 2.5-liter four-cylinders.
In terms of performance, the entry-level Cayman has 296 hp (220 kW / 300 PS) and 280 lb-ft (380 Nm) of torque. This enables the model to accelerate from 0-60 mph (0-96 km/h) in as little as 4.5 seconds when equipped with the optional PDK transmission and Sport Chrono Package. Furthermore, the car can hit a top speed of 170 mph (273 km/h).

The Cayman S, on the other hand, packs 345 hp (257 kW / 350 PS) and 310 lb-ft (420 Nm) of torque. Thanks to the extra power, the dash from 0-60 mph (0-96 km/h) is cut to as little as 4.0 seconds. Likewise, the top speed climbs to 177 mph (285 km/h).
The Supra slots roughly between the two models as it has 335 hp (250 kW / 340 PS) and 365 lb-ft (494 Nm) of torque. This helps the car to accelerate from 0-60 mph (0-96 km/h) in 4.1 seconds and onto an electronically limited top speed of 155 mph (250 km/h).
While both models share similar performance specifications, there are some significant differences. The Cayman lineup comes standard with a manual transmission, while one isn’t even offered on the Supra – at least not yet. The Cayman also offers a more powerful GTS variant with 360 hp (269 kW / 365 PS) and 317 lb-ft (430 Nm) of torque.
Styling

There has been a lot of love and hate reactions to the exterior styling of the Supra, but we think the model looks like a modern evolution of the A80. That being said, we’re not entirely sold on the car’s controversial front fascia and heavy use of blocked off intakes. However, the rest of the model looks pretty good and we dig the double bubble roof and stylish rear end.
The Cayman, on the other hand, is beautiful and incorporates familiar Porsche styling DNA. It might be too familiar for some, but the car is aging gracefully and benefited from a significant update three years ago.
Also Read: Driven: 2020 Toyota GR Supra Is A Track Weapon And An Everyday Sports Car
Interior design is a different story as the Supra has a bit more character thanks to its diverse shapes and standard carbon fiber trim. The Supra’s infotainment system is also mounted on the top of the dashboard where it’s easier to take a quick look at. Throw in a digital instrument cluster and an impressive amount of standard equipment, and you’ll find the Supra’s cabin is a good place to spend some quality time.
The Cayman has its own advantages including a more stylish steering wheel, a conventional shifter and impressive material quality. Customers can also order a dizzying array of options which means buyers can get exactly what they want. The levels of customization are so insane, you can get an Espresso/Cognac natural leather interior with Racing Yellow instrument cluster dials, Miami Blue seat belts and Mahogany wood trim. Of course, that will cost you – nearly $7,000 in this case.
Pricing

One place where the Supra has the Cayman beat is pricing. The model starts at $49,990 and can be equipped with heated leather seats, a wireless smartphone charger, a premium audio system and an 8.8-inch infotainment system with GPS navigation for $53,990.
The base Cayman starts at $56,900 while the S begins at $69,300. In typical Porsche fashion, the models are sparsely equipped and it’s easy to spend many thousands of dollars adding items such as leather upholstery, power seats, dual-zone automatic climate control and Apple CarPlay.
While the Supra is more affordable, it doesn’t have the same prestige factor as the Cayman. Tell someone you drive a Porsche and they’ll probably be impressed. Tell someone you drive a Toyota and they’ll probably think you own a Camry.

We’re joking a bit, but there’s sure to be some badge snobbery involved in the buying process. How much remains to be seen, but there’s 21 years to pent up Supra demand in the United States.
Another obvious factor is the driving experience. We liked the Supra’s performance on and off the track, but it’s too early to say if its good enough to beat the Cayman. However, there should be plenty of reviews comparing the models in the future.
With all that being said, let us know if you’re team Cayman or team Supra in the comments below.
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Another Dyno Test Reveals The 2020 Toyota Supra Has More Power Than Advertised



BMW guts or not, I was adamant that the 2020 Toyota Supra felt like it had more than the reported 335 horsepower and 365 lb-ft of torque. The car can seriously move, and when Car and Driver revealed a 3.8 second zero to 60 mph time we all started to wonder how much power it really put down. Now the latest dyno test reveals that, at least on the media tester cars we’ve seen so far, the advertised power figures are closer to what the car puts down at the wheels—not at the crank.

The dyno test comes from Motor Trend, which put a Supra press loaner to the test on a Mustang eddy-current chassis dynamometer at World Motorsports in Torrance, California. Their result? A pretty impressive 332 HP and 387 lb-ft to the rear wheels.
For our test, we ran the Supra in sixth gear because its 1.00:1 ratio is the transmission’s most efficient. The horsepower number that the dyno read was just off from what Toyota claims, but the torque figure is considerably higher.
What’s more, the numbers that Toyota promises are taken at the crank, which doesn’t account for the frictional and hydraulic losses occurred in the transmission and differential. Conventional wisdom suggests these could amount to roughly 15 percent for a driveline like the Supra’s, which would suggest our Supra was making 390 hp and 455 lb-ft at the crank.
That dyno result is great, but it is less than the 339 HP and 427 lb-ft at-the-wheel rating that Car and Driver came up with during a test at Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. Quite a bit less in the torque department.
But even that result was somewhat disputed at the time. And as Motor Trend admitted, this car is a press loaner—for various reasons it could be a ringer of sorts, “tuned to produce extremely impressive performance numbers in hopes of selling more cars.”
At the same time, it’s pretty common knowledge that modern BMW engines are fairly underrated from the factory, so these results are not exactly surprising to me.
What I’m really curious to see is how the dyno tests go for the actual customer cars. But none of that changes the fact that the new Supra is fast and very fun to drive. Anyone willing to plunk down $55,000 for this German-designed, Japanese-tuned, Austrian-assembled wonder-coupe is in for a good time.
Go read Motor Trend for the full story.
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Watch The New Toyota Supra Deliver 339 HP At The Wheels








Last month, the world’s media had the opportunity to test out the 2020 Supra and after experiencing what the sports car was capable of, the guys over at Car and Driver had a suspicion Toyota may have underrated the Supra’s engine.

As we reported a few weeks ago, the publication hooked up the car to an all-wheel drive dyno in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. Now, the video from that dyno run has been released, revealing how conservative Toyota seems to have been with the car’s headline figures.

According to the Japanese automaker, the Supra’s 3.0-liter BMW-sourced inline-six turbocharged engine pumps out 335 hp and 364 lb-ft (494 Nm) of torque. Those figures are fairly impressive but the red Supra tested actually delivered 339 hp and 427 lb-ft (578 Nm) at the wheels. Perhaps the most shocking result is that monumental torque figure but Car and Driver suggests it may be a little inflated as the car’s torque converter may not be fully locked until higher in the rev range.
Nevertheless, this is pretty compelling evidence that the Supra

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Last month, the world’s media had the opportunity to test out the 2020 Supra and after experiencing what the sports car was capable of, the guys over at Car and Driver had a suspicion Toyota may have underrated the Supra’s engine.

As we reported a few weeks ago, the publication hooked up the car to an all-wheel drive dyno in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. Now, the video from that dyno run has been released, revealing how conservative Toyota seems to have been with the car’s headline figures.
Also Read: Has Toyota Sold Supra’s Soul To Ze Germans? No Way Jose!
According to the Japanese automaker, the Supra’s 3.0-liter BMW-sourced inline-six turbocharged engine pumps out 335 hp and 364 lb-ft (494 Nm) of torque. Those figures are fairly impressive but the red Supra tested actually delivered 339 hp and 427 lb-ft (578 Nm) at the wheels. Perhaps the most shocking result is that monumental torque figure but Car and Driver suggests it may be a little inflated as the car’s torque converter may not be fully locked until higher in the rev range.
Nevertheless, this is pretty compelling evidence that the Supra has more muscle than Toyota claims it does and goes some way to explain how some media outlets have been able to launch the new Supra to 60 mph (96 km/h) in under four seconds.





We won’t draw any final conclusions about the Supra’s horsepower and torque figures just yet but these BMW engines are rumored to offer more grunt than advertised for the past couple of years. However, not only was the example tested a press car, but there could have been very favorable weather conditions when the dyno run was performed. To conclude that the Supra has more power than claimed, we’ll have to wait until we start seeing customer cars being tested.




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