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"We are going to have the Space Force."


President Trump today announced that he is directing the Department of Defense to create a sixth branch of the military: the Space Force.
"I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the sixth branch of the armed forces," Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council in Washington D.C.

The announcement came during the third public meeting of the National Space Council, where Trump also signed Space Policy Directive 3 after his remarks. The directive deals with space debris and space traffic control, instructing the Department of Defense to modernize its methods of tracking objects in orbit, partially by incorporating commercial tracking services.

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President Trump signs Space Policy Directive 3.
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Trump first floated the idea of establishing a military branch for space operations in March while speaking to service members at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego. It is not exactly clear how the establishment of a sixth military branch would be accomplished, although Trump asked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford, to "carry that assignment out" during his remarks.
Last year, the House Armed Services Committee, led by Republican Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama and Democrat Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, introduced legislation to create an independent "Space Corps" that would operate under the Department of the Air Force, similar to the Marine Corps that serves within the Department of the Navy. The Space Corps, however, was removed from the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) by congressional leaders reconciling the differences between House and Senate versions of the bill. Instead, the space-related missions of the Air Force were restructured, giving more authority to Air Force Space Command to oversee the defense of assets in orbit.
But the Space Force, as proposed by Trump, may operate independently of the Air Force. "We are going to have the Air Force, and we are going to have the Space Force, separate but equal," the president said.
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However, a detailed plan to establish a new military branch will likely take time to flesh out, and exactly how the Space Force will operate alongside the other branches of the military is not yet clear. When the "Space Corps" legislation was being considered by Congress last year, military leaders including Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein, and Secretary of Defense James Mattis voiced their opposition, citing increased bureaucracy within the Defense Department that would hinder the military's warfighting readiness if the "Space Corps" moved forward.
"At a time when we are trying to integrate the Department's joint warfighting functions, I do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations," Mattis wrote at the time in a letter to Ohio Rep. Mike Turner, the Republican Chairman of the House Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee.

Whether or not Mattis or other defense leaders will change their stance now that Trump is asking the Pentagon to create a new Space Force is not clear. A reevaluation of space defense has been a priority for military leaders as China and Russia continue to aggressively expand their operations in orbit, including a missile test China conducted in 2007 to shoot down a defunct satellite. (The United States and Russia also have this capability.)

"There's nothing we do today, there's not a sailor, soldier, or marine that operates in their domain that isn't using space capabilities to conduct their mission," General John "Jay" Raymond, commander of Air Force Space Command, told Popular Mechanicsduring a visit to the New York offices in November of last year.

As orbits get more crowded and launch costs drop, the United States is considering its options to defend assets in space—a domain that the country enjoyed nearly unchecked control of for decades. The president has made it clear that to accomplish that mission, he believes a new military branch for space operations is necessary.

"Our destiny beyond the Earth is not only a matter of national identity, but a matter of national security," Trump said during his remarks. "It is so important for our military, so important, and people don't talk about it. When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space; we must have American dominance in space."

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what a fucking moron.

we can't properly fund NASA to understand space but this asshole really wants a "space force" because he likes the idea of soldiers floating weightless shooting lasers and shit pew pew
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what a fucking moron.

we can't properly fund NASA to understand space but this asshole really wants a "space force" because he likes the idea of soldiers floating weightless shooting lasers and shit pew pew
I agree with you.
However, one day this will be a real issue that will need discussed, but we are so far from that right now, it's just publicity for him I guess.
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Trump really, really wants troops in space


Will Trump get to create the “space force” he wants?


President Donald Trump just said he wants America to have a “space force” charged with protecting America in, well, space. The problem is that it’s unclear he will actually get one.
On Monday, Trump signed an executive order meant to create the space force, which would be the sixth branch of the US military (but the White House text of the order doesn’t feature a directive to create the space force). He then asked Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to oversee the creation of the new service. If it’s officially created, the Air Force would likely give up all of its space duties to the space force, including preparing for war in space and protecting US satellites from harm.
“We have the Air Force, and we’re going to have the space force,” Trump said during a speech from the White House. “Separate but equal.”
Trump has long called for the creation of a space force, saying in March that it would be “like the Army and the Navy, but for space, because we’re spending a lot of money on space.” There was even a congressional push last year that tried to formally create the new service.
But Congress flatly rejected that proposal. In this fiscal year’s must-pass defense budget bill, both the House and the Senate decided against a new space force, preferring instead to keep space defense within the Air Force.
That doesn’t seem to matter to Trump, since he has now ordered the creation of the space-focused service. It’s unclear whether Trump can actually create a military branch out of thin air. But one thing is for sure: He doesn’t have much support for it.
A senior congressional source told me that Congress — not the president — would need to authorize a new military service, just like it did in 1947 when it created the Air Force. After all, the Constitution is clear that the Congress has the authority “to raise and support armies.”
There’s another problem: The Air Force is adamantly against a space force. “The Pentagon is complicated enough,” Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told reporters last summer. “This will make it more complex, add more boxes to the organization chart.”

Even Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis came out against it. “I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting efforts,” Mattis wrote in a letter to congressional defense leaders last October.
Of course, there’s nothing stopping Trump from wanting a space force or even ordering its establishment. It’s just an open question as to whether there will ever be a space force.
“[T]he near-term practical effect of all this is that the president can direct DoD to come up with a plan and start preparing to create a space force, but he still needs congress to authorize it,” Todd Harrison, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, tweeted on Monday.
“Space is no longer a peaceful domain”

There’s a good case to make for a space force, though.
“Space is no longer a peaceful domain,” Deborah Lee James, the Obama administration’s final Air Force secretary, said in an interview last July. “There is a real possibility that a conflict on Earth could bleed into space.”
There are two main reasons for that: Russia and China. According to the Defense Intelligence Agency, Russia wants to gain more power in space because it believes gaining supremacy there will allow it to win future fights on this planet. And in late 2015, China created the Strategic Support Force, which is meant to streamline and improve its space, cyber, and electronic warfare missions.
The two countries are causing problems with anti-satellite technology, too, noted Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats in a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last May — meaning they could mess with the satellites that help the US military do its job. The Pentagon is planning to open a space-war center to counter their threats.
Okay, but ... what sort of conflict is actually going on in space? What are we really talking about?
Basically, there are tons of military equipment in space, especially satellites. This kind of equipment helps the US, Russia, and China — and any tech-savvy force — navigate terrain and communicate with one another. On top of that, assets in space help to track enemy fighters, take pictures for intelligence services, and even help control missiles. Without space, it would be much harder to fight on Earth; that’s why Russia and China are investing so heavily in it.
But Russia and China aren’t space’s only threats. The area just outside Earth’s orbit has seen an explosion of commercial satellites and other communications equipment since the 1960s, put there first by countries and, as of late, by commercial companies. That equipment is used to help drivers reach their destination, help potential lovers swipe right on dating apps, or simply help people text friends.
The chart below shows the huge growth in these satellites. The blue line represents their total growth since around 1960.
The internet, of course, adds a new complication to all the equipment that countries are putting in space. Most notably, equipment can potentially be hacked. For instance, a team of hackers could jam a satellite by messing with its signals soit interrupts the satellite’s normal activity, rendering it useless. That could cause problems for all sorts of everyday activities, like credit card transactions and phone calls.
Then, of course, there’s space debris threatening all of that commercial and military space equipment, since it could knock into the expensive machines. NASA estimates that there are 20,000 pieces of debris larger than a softball orbiting the Earth, about 500,000 pieces of debris the size of a marble or larger, and many millions of pieces that are too small to register.
“This is a solution in search of a problem”

The idea is that creating a new service will ensure that there’s a segment of the military whose entire job is to focus on space 100 percent of the time. That would allow a space force to counter Russia, China, and other threats while giving space-focused staff more bureaucratic power inside the Pentagon.
But Sean O’Keefe, a former NASA head and Navy secretary, thinks creating a brand new branch of the military is not the right way to go. “This is a solution in search of a problem,” he told me in an interview last summer. Basically, he thinks the Air Force is already doing a fine job protecting space, even if it does privilege earthbound pilots. Creating a space force would just add another layer of bureaucracy to an already massive organization: the Pentagon.
James, the former Air Force secretary, agrees. She thinks dealing with the current complaints about the Air Force and space — 1) that it’s not well-funded, 2) that acquisition takes too long, and 3) that there is no one person to call about military space operations — makes more sense.
So clearly the space force has its detractors, not least Defense Secretary Mattis. And of course, Congress has yet to officially mandate its creation.
But with Trump’s comments on Monday, the space force conversation has kicked into hyperdrive. Time will tell if future US troops will be wearing space helmets.
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I agree with you.
However, one day this will be a real issue that will need discussed, but we are so far from that right now, it's just publicity for him I guess.
I don't disagree that planning on protecting our interests in an increasingly hectic Earth orbit are important but there isn't any reasonable argument (imo) that he's actually thinking about that. he can't conceptualize that he "lost" in every meaningful metric with the NK deal but he's worried about US geopolitical interests in space? yeah, those two things don't exist inside the same brain. he's thinking it will be like Starship Troopers...
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There is some greater reason for this that we are not seeing. This is not simply the move of an idiot.
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This is one of the oldest and longest running jokes in the military

Mattis needs to talk some sense into him and focus on the force needs as they are.
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Yeah. How did that Star Wars thing work out for Reagan.
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Yeah. How did that Star Wars thing work out for Reagan.
It resulted in the mysterious deaths of 25 scientists and engineers who worked on it during an 8 year period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEC-Ma...spiracy_theory

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It resulted in the mysterious deaths of 25 scientists and engineers who worked on it during an 8 year period.

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Probably shouldn't have pursued it then and saved those 25 lives.
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So I started looking into this to see what's really behind this decision because Trump has brought this up before so this isn't just some dumb idea he has. There's something else going on here. Well I just found this.

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Think she's a nutcase all you want and you might be right, I don't know, but you have to admit that her warnings about our government wanting to build space weapons and what Trump just announced, which is baffling everyone, is pretty odd.

Not to mention the fact that Reagan famously spoke about the possible threat of Aliens in a speech. The similarities and mirror imaging of Trump and Reagan are way too coincidental.

Famous person
Considered an outsider as far as government is concerned (although Reagan was a senator first)
Charisma
Dismissed as a serious candiate
Witty speaker (Trump has his moments)
Pro business, military and nationalistic
Removed regulations
Practiced trickle down economics
Want to build space weapons
Make America Great Again slogan
They are the oldest presidents ever elected at the time of their presidency
Reagan was the first divorced president, Trump the first thrice divorced president
Had strong Evangelical support
Had a combination of tax cuts and an increase in defense spending which leads to high deficits
Use to be Democrats
Talked directly to the people

Differences:
Trump: Wants to build a wall
Reagan: Tore a wall down

Trump: Starting a trade war
Reagan: Spoke negatively about trade wars

Trump: Pro Russia and helping them build themselves up
Reagan: Against Russia and caused their collapse

Trump: No filter, no class, acts like a child
Reagan: Very respectful and courteous, acts like a responsible adult
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Considered an outsider as far as government is concerned (although Reagan was a Governor first)
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
Thanks. I think this is the first time you have corrected me and been right.
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I am eagerly awaiting your prophecies to come true. They are a lot more hopeful than mine. I would much rather you be right than me.
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Anyone else find it odd that the guy who created the NESARA proposal in 1996 printed it out and distributed it under the name "Draining the Swamp: Monetary and Fiscal Policy Reform"? This program is now strongly associated with spiritual/alien theories claiming at some point they will disclose their existence to us and that this economic policy will be enacted.

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Trump’s 'Space Force' decree came after Pentagon didn’t act on his suggestion: report

President Trump’s surprise decision to order the creation of a U.S. “Space Force” came because he was frustrated with Pentagon officials for not taking up his initial suggestion, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday.

Trump directed the Defense Department on Monday to create the country’s sixth military service branch, a move that shocked Pentagon officials and lawmakers.

People familiar with the decision told the Journal that Trump often throws out ideas in public but then expects his aides and Cabinet officials to create follow-through plans.
Trump gets frustrated and make demands when he feels like his appointees haven’t jumped into action, the newspaper reported.

“He doesn’t forget, and ultimately erupts when he feels slighted,” a former high-level industry and government official said.

The White House did not respond to the Journal’s requests for comment.

Trump first tossed out the idea of a Space Force in March.

“You know, I was saying it the other day — because we’re doing a tremendous amount of work in space — I said, 'Maybe we need a new force, we’ll call it the Space Force.' And I was not really serious, and then I said, 'What a great idea, maybe we’ll have to do that. That could happen,' ” Trump said during a speech to military personnel in San Diego

Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson, Air Force Chief of Staff David Golden and Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Kaleth Wright all opposed the idea of a separate space branch when the issue was proposed by the House Armed Services Committee last year.

“I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting functions,” Defense Secretary James Mattis wrote in 2017.

Wilson and other senior Air Force commanders reportedly had no idea Trump's announcement was coming when they met for a strategy session last week.

A new military branch has not been created since the Air Force in 1947.

The head of U.S. Strategic Command told senators in March that now is not the “right” time for a new military service branch.

“I think that someday we'll have a space corps or Space Force in this country. But I don't think the time is right for that right now,” Gen. John Hyten told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Mattis said Wednesday that Trump’s directive will require the help of Congress.

“This, as you know, is going to require legislation and a lot of detailed planning and we’ve not yet begun,” Mattis told reporters.
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How Trump's Space Force Would Help Protect Earth from Future Asteroid Threats

If a military Space Force like the one proposed by President Donald Trump becomes a reality, odds are, it would play a role in defending Earth from an incoming asteroid.

In a report released today (June 20), NASA and other federal officials unveiled what the United States should do over the next 10 years to safeguard Earth from potential asteroid impacts. That 18-page plan, called the "The National Near-Earth Object Preparedness Strategy and Action Plan," would involve work from agencies across the federal government, White House officials said — even, potentially, Trump's proposed Space Force.

"One of the things that should be clear from the report is that the responsibility for responding, and preparing response, is spread and shared throughout the U.S. government," Aaron Miles, of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said in response to a question about a Space Force's role. "So everybody brings capabilities to the table … One of the objectives of this plan is coordinating and leveraging those capabilities where they are across the government." [How to Defend Earth Against Asteroids]

While Miles did not mention the Space Force by name, it stands to reason that any national concerted effort to defend Earth from an incoming asteroid would involve at least some military assets in space for asteroid tracking or deflection. And if a Space Force is in service at that time, it's likely to play a role — after all, the Air Force already works hard to maintain space situational awareness of objects orbiting Earth.

The U.S. currently has three possible methods for deflecting any potentially hazardous asteroid from hitting Earth:

A "gravity tractor" that would park a spacecraft near the asteroid and let the gravitational attraction of the two objects nudge the asteroid off course.

A "kinetic impactor" that would slam a spacecraft into an asteroid to knock it off course.

A nuclear strike aimed at vaporizing the surface of an asteroid, creating jet of material that would push the asteroid off course.

All three of those options would require at least a 10-year lead time before a potential asteroid impact, NASA

Planetary Defense Officer Lindley Johnson told reporters at the teleconference. And all could be accomplished with robotic spacecraft rather than astronauts.

This graphic depicts the spatial extent of the damage if an asteroid measuring roughly 100 feet (30 meters) wide were to hit New York City. An asteroid that size famously exploded over Siberia on June 30, 1908. Known as the Tunguska event, this was the largest asteroid impact in recorded history.

This week, Trump ordered the Department of Defense to form a Space Force as the sixth branch of the U.S. armed forces. (The other branches are the Air Force, Army, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard.) The Space Force, which would have to be approved Congress, would oversee U.S. military operations in space, much of which is currently managed by the Air Force.

But while it's likely that a Space Force, if one ever exists, would play a role in the U.S. asteroid-response plan, NASA would also be heavily involved.

The space agency's proposed 2019 budget calls for $150 million in funding to support asteroid defense, Johnson said.

Those funds in 2019 would support NASA's planned Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART), a mission that would launch in December 2020 to visit the near-Earth asteroid Didymos (and its moon, nicknamed "Didymoon"). DART would crash into Didymos to test an asteroid-deflection technique called "kinetic impactor," which essentially slams a projectile into an incoming object.

And then there are efforts from the international community, because a major asteroid impact would pose a threat to the entire Earth, not just one country. The European Space Agency, for example, has drawn up plans for a companion mission to NASA's DART that would send a probe to the asteroid Didymos to watch as DART hit the space rock.

"It's a global hazard that we all face together," Miles said, adding that international collaboration is one of the five major goals of the new action plan.

Johnson even suggested that civilians, like amateur astronomers or the B612 Foundation for asteroid awareness, could play a response role.

"Planetary defense is a team sport," Johnson said. "We welcome capability wherever it comes."

You can download the full National Near-Earth Object Preparedness Strategy and Action Plan here from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
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