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this bullshit will not end until there is an all out war
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but they are such nice, peaceful people...
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This bullshit will not end until there is an all-out war.
There hasn't been all-out war for centuries between Christians and Muslims already?
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...but they are such nice, peaceful people...
Yeah...about 99.9% of Muslims are (assuming there are 1.5 billion of them).
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HMM i think white people used to do this to black churchgoers. oh my god, white people are the same as muslims!!! kill them all!
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HMM i think white people used to do this to black churchgoers. oh my god, white people are the same as muslims!!! kill them all!
I note you said "used to" in your sentence. You may want to note that and try again with a retort.

PS: If your white, the apologist fad was so last year. If your Black, get off the pity bus. Finally, if your muslim your trying TOO hard to convince us that muslims rarely do anything wrong. Hmm?
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There hasn't been all-out war for centuries between Christians and Muslims already?

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Not with Nukes

And I say that in jest, but no not with modern war tactics. I think if it really came down to it like it did in WW2 Muslims would be fucked. Obviously the chickenshit tactics of suicide bombs is met with pussified means of attacking them. I stand on my comment though, until someone pours a serious can of whoop ass on them, they will not stop. It took 30 days to take Iraq and we really did not want to commint genocide, but keep poking the bear by all means.
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but they are such nice, peaceful people...
And just what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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You might say--and I would surely agree--that these comments are grotesquely hypocritical, given that they come from Hamas, but it is just factually wrong to say there is no evidence of revulsion in the Islamic world. Why does it matter? Because it's too easy to adhere to this narrative--all of Islam's the problem, somehow--in place of asking the serious questions that need to be asked about this bombing.

The question that needs to be asked above all is which group exactly was behind it? The next question is what does this mean about what's happening in Egypt? Because some group clearly is trying to start a sectarian war, and may well succeed--an unimaginable catastrophe for Egypt and for the region. It's pretty damned important to know which group. It matters a lot whether this was the work of al Qaeda or the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. The implications would be very different.

The answer "Don't get bogged down in the details, all Muslims are the problem--they're either doing this or they support it somehow" is not remotely useful to formulating any kind of policy response (and also not true). It does not clarify the picture in some salutary, common-sense way--it just throws ink on the very details that most need to be understood, and understood quickly.
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There hasn't been all-out war for centuries between Christians and Muslims already?

Yeah...about 99.9% of Muslims are (assuming there are 1.5 billion of them).
there are more than 150,000 followers of the extremist form of islam. guaranteed.


and i love when shaun y tries to do the "well look what christians did in the past" seriously makes me laugh. ummm when was the last time there was a christian that went and bombed something based purely on religion?


im gonna laugh my ass off if you say one that im thinking, cause you would be completely wrong.

fact is that christians dont do this shit and have for hundreds of years.

there are more and more islam extremists every year and more and more countries are perpetuating the problem by giving them aid and allowing them to train and carry out missions from their country.


shaun, you are an ignorant sympathizer with no real world experience with these extremist people. you "know" a couple AMERICAN muslims and think you know the entire scope of whats going on.

go to kabul with no security around you and start telling people you are muslim and just want to be among them and help them. you would be shot or beheaded, or both.

the general populous in afghanistan and other muslim countries are not always the ones doing the shooting or bombing, but aiding and practicing the extremist views of islam is just as bad.


it makes me sick to see how many sympathizers there are in our country today. just sickening.
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I DONT CARE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN. THEY MAKE UP LIKE 1% OF THE WORLDWIDE MUSLIM POPULATION.



jesus dude get a fucking clue.
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In 1982, Lebanese Christian militias sided with Israel and massacred hundreds of Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps under the defense ministry of Ariel Sharon.
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A number of Russian political and paramilitary groups combine racism, nationalism, and Russian Orthodox beliefs.[29][30] Russian National Unity, a far right ultra-nationalist political party and paramilitary organization, advocates an increased role for the Russian Orthodox Church according to its manifesto. It has been accused of murders, and several terrorist attacks including the bombing of the US Consulate in Ekaterinburg.
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The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves.[32] It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[33][33][34][35] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.
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hundreds of years huh? you are so gotdayum clueless it's hardly worth arguing with you.
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there are more than 150,000 followers of the extremist form of islam. guaranteed.


and i love when shaun y tries to do the "well look what christians did in the past" seriously makes me laugh. ummm when was the last time there was a christian that went and bombed something based purely on religion?


im gonna laugh my ass off if you say one that im thinking, cause you would be completely wrong.

fact is that christians dont do this shit and have for hundreds of years.

there are more and more islam extremists every year and more and more countries are perpetuating the problem by giving them aid and allowing them to train and carry out missions from their country.


shaun, you are an ignorant sympathizer with no real world experience with these extremist people. you "know" a couple AMERICAN muslims and think you know the entire scope of whats going on.

go to kabul with no security around you and start telling people you are muslim and just want to be among them and help them. you would be shot or beheaded, or both.

the general populous in afghanistan and other muslim countries are not always the ones doing the shooting or bombing, but aiding and practicing the extremist views of islam is just as bad.


it makes me sick to see how many sympathizers there are in our country today. just sickening.
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There is no point arguing. People are so stubborn. Do either of you think you'll be able to convert or change what people think just buy a few posts. Seriously. It's going to take more than that (if anything) to change how people were brought up.
Even bible-huggers support shooting people. That's when you know there is a problem with your society.

P.S. if you don't want to be shot, don't go to the middle east. duh. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the middle east isn't the only place that doesn't take kindly to "white people" mainly americans.. oh.. and if you're in the military, you're doing your job. get over it.
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ummm when was the last time there was a christian that went and bombed something based purely on religion?
I'm not going to do it but I can't believe that it would be terribly hard to find abortion clinics from the 90s that were bombed for what boil down to beliefs held "based purely on religion".

do I think that "violent" Islamic extremism is more widespread than violent Christian extremism today/recently? yeah. its easier to convince the uneducated and poverty stricken of ridiculous extremist things and, on the whole, there are a higher percentage of isolated (and insulated) candidates to pull from Muslim societies these days. not to mention that being united by general religious principles to the dominant forces of world politics for the last 500 years means that there is simply less to bitch about.

Shaun might be a bit simplistic in the caricature of him "knowing a few muslims" but in my own experience of reading Christian and Islamic texts, its hard to say that one is inherently more violent than the other (the first half of the Bible is essentially the 'angry-God, extremist views handbook' in certain parts by today's standards)...

maybe how it is practiced in many parts of the world today is inherently more violent and twisted but Christianity's history of bloodshed and violence is still relevant because it did occur, it influences Judeo-Christian-Muslim relations today and it continues on a smaller scale even to this day...

its not an extreme reach to say that Christian extremists have learned from an extremely violent past (in a more violent world - to be fair) and modified tactics to more efficient expressions of power and influence (Family Research Council and ilk's essential strangehold over one of our political parties) that only sometimes end up resorting to violence (Dr. Tiller anyone?)... to be fair, its not equivalent to say that the FRC is like a madrasa preaching violence/death - they're not. but it is also not a fair equivalence to whitewash Christian violent extremism because it isn't as prevalent today while extoling how its easier to paint Muslims generally with a broad brush.

just like the societies that they are most prevalent in, Christian extremism and Islamic extremism appear (to me) to be simply in different stages of development and their tactics reflect that.


*edit* please don't misconstrue this as some kind of sympathizing - its not. I'm just tired of the ineffective broad brush smearing that is extremely prevalent today. understanding the differences and nuanced distinctions is what 'makes us safer.' I am generally anti-violence (unless its a interpersonal difference of opinion - then I'm all for kicking your ass to prove I'm right ) but specifically abhor violence that seeks to 'make a point' or send a message on a general scale. the victims of that kind of violence aren't martyrs or casualties of a greater cause - they are senseless victims and anyone wishing to send the world a message should get a can of gas and a pack of matches and deal with it themselves Buddhist-style.
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Yes, religion, countries, and wackos have, throughout the years, have caused the death of billions of people.

In this day and age, it is unacceptable for shit like this to happen. It is inexcusable. The Muslim/Islam faith has the worst reputation for uncivilized behavoir in modern times. It's a choice to defend or criticize it. I realize it's the person and not the faith that determines what actually happens. Much like guns dont kill, people kill. So why, then, are so many people of that religion, perpetraitors of fear, hate, and violence? Or is it, that the faith is used to simply justify their sick actions. Either way, I have a firmly planted negative opinion of the religion.
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I think Shaun Y should just move over to the middle east somewhere, and try to fit in claiming he's a muslim.


I really do wanna see the result.

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I really do wanna see the result.

KCSR sponsored one-way plane ticket for him? I'm pretty sure he won't need the return ticket....
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Its true though Shaun, you sit here and want to sympathize with their plight, yet if you actually tried to go live among them, you would be killed very quickly.
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Where in this thread am I sympathizing? Where have I ever backed up or argued for extremists? All I have done in this thread is disprove your stupid claims that all muslims are terrorists/only muslims are terrorists/white people are never terrorists.

You just need to accept the fact that you are an intolerant bigot.
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where did i ever say in this thread or any other that ALL muslims are terrorists, or that only muslims are terrorists?

You just need to accept the fact that you are a brain dead fucking moron.
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I'm not going to do it but I can't believe that it would be terribly hard to find abortion clinics from the 90s that were bombed for what boil down to beliefs held "based purely on religion".
You wouldn't have an issue at all. The 80's and 90's are filled full of "Bombing for Jesus". In fact if I remember correctly there was a cult or group of people who claimed to have bombed upwards of 100 facilities ersumshit.

Christianity is every bit as crooked and violent as any other religion out there.

Christians called it a Crusade, Muslims called it a Jihad, at the end of the day people have fought for their beliefs since the beginning of organized religion.
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There are more than 150,000 followers of the extremist form of Islam...guaranteed...
No doubt...maybe more, but it's still less than 0.1% of all Muslims worldwide, which is why I do not understand why you attack the whole religion and all of its followers.
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