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If this would stop, then we would have a chance. No , its not directed toward hispanics. The population is insane, there is 12 and 13 year olds having kids and WANTING it. http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...+on+the+planet


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Energy man, energy. We (US) is so dependent upon energy imports it is one of our biggest vulnerabilities. What if the OPEC decided one day that oil is now $300/barrel? What if OPEC decides to ration oil exports because of a huge global demand? What if a few of the countries in OPEC decide no more oil for the US? What if some of their oil reserves start to dry up faster than they've anticipated?

Energy will cause big shifts in economics and the way we live our lives.

What should be happening right now is...
- More domestic drilling for oil and gas.
- Start building the worlds biggest and fastest national high speed train system.
- Start building nuke plants.

We are going to be caught with our pants down one of these days, and it's not going to be pretty.
I agree with 1 and 3, but there's no way to build an efficient high speed train system here. Maybe in the northeast where everything is condensed, but once you get west probably pittsburgh things are spread out, and once you get west of Kansas City things are SUPER spread out.
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I don't know what the future will bring, but I do feel like we have overpopulated beyond the means to have a sustainable future. You see it in nature when people cram too many farm animals together and disease breaks out. Now do the same thing with people. Disease was prevalent, so humans (accidentally?) discovered antibodies from mold and how to use them. Now you are seeing drug resistant cases or "Super Germs" starting to emerge. I am agnostic as well, but I think if there is a god we are a petri dish in his universal lab.
I agree in a lot of areas overpopulation is definitely a problem, but in America we have the opposite problem (which is long term an economic disaster). No one is having kids anymore.

I am 30 and out of all my friends there are less than 5 total kids to speak of. In our parents generation there would have been 100 or more.

The economy has always worked off of people getting older, accumulating wealth/possessions, and then there being MORE people of the next generation competing to buy it from them, driving prices up. In America, for probably the first time ever, the next generation is going to be smaller and demand for things is already falling. Wait 30-40 years when all of us have real estate and other possessions we've accumulated and there aren't enough people competing to buy it from us as we get older.
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I agree in a lot of areas overpopulation is definitely a problem, but in America we have the opposite problem (which is long term an economic disaster). No one is having kids anymore.

I am 30 and out of all my friends there are less than 5 total kids to speak of. In our parents generation there would have been 100 or more.

The economy has always worked off of people getting older, accumulating wealth/possessions, and then there being MORE people of the next generation competing to buy it from them, driving prices up. In America, for probably the first time ever, the next generation is going to be smaller and demand for things is already falling. Wait 30-40 years when all of us have real estate and other possessions we've accumulated and there aren't enough people competing to buy it from us as we get older.
It's worse than that... overall we're having less kids each year, but even moreso the kids that ARE coming in tend to come from lower income, less educated people. We're literally breeding intelligence, work ethic, and success out of this country.
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I agree with 1 and 3, but there's no way to build an efficient high speed train system here. Maybe in the northeast where everything is condensed, but once you get west probably pittsburgh things are spread out, and once you get west of Kansas City things are SUPER spread out.
Yes, I understand that. You could have used the same argument when the interstate was being conceived and built. But, how do you make up for distance? Speed, that's how. Being 600 miles from Denver doesn't matter that much at, say, 400 mph. And talk about an economic boost. Were sitting here at around 10% unemployment and all we're doing is paying the unemployed money to sit around and HOPE jobs return. Instead of spending money on hope or Obama butterfly gardens, why not build something we could all use? And if you still think he distances are too great, have a look at what China has done, and are continuing to do. By 2020, they'll have laid almost 10,000 miles of track. Why the fuck are we just sitting around burning piles of money just trying to keep warm?
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Yes, I understand that. You could have used the same argument when the interstate was being conceived and built. But, how do you make up for distance? Speed, that's how. Being 600 miles from Denver doesn't matter that much at, say, 400 mph. And talk about an economic boost. Were sitting here at around 10% unemployment and all we're doing is paying the unemployed money to sit around and HOPE jobs return. Instead of spending money on hope or Obama butterfly gardens, why not build something we could all use? And if you still think he distances are too great, have a look at what China has done, and are continuing to do. By 2020, they'll have laid almost 10,000 miles of track. Why the fuck are we just sitting around burning piles of money just trying to keep warm?
Do anyone's trains average 400mph?
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Do anyone's trains average 400mph?
Not yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JR-Maglev - Record holder of 361 mph (mag-lev) - Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V150_(train) - Record holder of 320 mph (rails) - France

China's new train just hit 302 mph.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/05/...aking-300-mph/

In the US, we have trains that can get you from KC all the way to St Louis in ONLY 6 hours.
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Yes, I understand that. You could have used the same argument when the interstate was being conceived and built. But, how do you make up for distance? Speed, that's how. Being 600 miles from Denver doesn't matter that much at, say, 400 mph. And talk about an economic boost. Were sitting here at around 10% unemployment and all we're doing is paying the unemployed money to sit around and HOPE jobs return. Instead of spending money on hope or Obama butterfly gardens, why not build something we could all use? And if you still think he distances are too great, have a look at what China has done, and are continuing to do. By 2020, they'll have laid almost 10,000 miles of track. Why the fuck are we just sitting around burning piles of money just trying to keep warm?
as an added bonus if we can train workers and get US companies more involved on the innovation side of things that is money that we can bring back to the us or send our trained workers overseas to manage/train other countries... just like green tech stuff - even if you don't think its 'the way of the future' if we're the best at it and the world is moving in that direction, we can profit from other countries' belief in it until we find the true 'way of the future'
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I agree with this. I am near 45 now and since I have been a lil kid, some mouth piece is always touting the end of the world. I asked my parents and they were told the same shit when they were little. It is a tool to get your money and nothing more. Every decision is easy to make when it is fear based and people spend their money that way.

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Amen.

The main future issues I see are water rights and energy. Thanks to the recession, many people among the developed countries of the world learned to make do with less. Many realized "things" didn't matter as much to them like the McMansions, the cars, their $8 coffee, the big paycheck, etc. With the recession came a demand for more fuel efficency and greener living. 100% electric cars that can go 100+ miles on a charge are entering the market. 10 years from now, that number will have tripled or more. All types of oil powered equipment will start incorporating hybrid, pure electric, or fuel technology. We'll still consume oil, but at a significantly reduced rate. China is in a boom right now and consuming like crazy, but it won't be sustained. It's not possible. There will be other emerging markets that will explode, but the technology will be there to reduce energy consumption or alternate forms of energy.

The biggest crisis I see is water. There is plenty of it, but many populations are too far from it to support their needs. This is where a lot of money will be spent.

There will be conflicts across the glode, but there won't be a world war. It's a global economy. China starting a war with the US or any other country for that matter would wreck their economy. I see China becoming legitmently democratic in 10 to 15 years. They are already terribly far from a socialist state.
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...I am near 45 now and ever since I was a little kid, some mouth-piece has always touted the end of the world. I asked my parents and they were told the same shit when they were little. It is a tool to get your money and nothing more...
I'm 32, and I still remember Pat Robertson's predictions about the end of the world. First, it was 1984...then 1996...then 2000...and we're still here.
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I've never gotten in to the whole 2012 thing or any of the other apocalyptic prophecies, but shit in the middle east (Iran specifically) and N. Korea seems to be getting a little to close to WMD for comfort.

They are sitting over there enriching uranium and saying "We are only doing it for the energy". The US and the UN keep lollygagging around about it, and it seems like it will be a bit too late before Iran sends a couple missiles flying and saying, "haha. Gotcha!"

N. Korea says "Oh, and btw, our boy over in Iran hooked up up with a couple of those nukes too. Buh bye S. Korea. It's been real".

Seems VERY feasible within the next 2 years.
Maybe our government is encouraging it. Maybe our system of checks and balances has been replaced by payoffs. I am pretty sure just like any other crackhead or junkie that gets into debt, its either fuck or fight. Our government has become a whore. Fucking away. But somebody has to work off that 2 trillion bucks. Otherwise it will be a Mad Max movie.
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If america doesnt fix the economy, Mel Gibson will own the government and turn everything into madmax.
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ship illegals back to mexico, build a berlin wall along the border, and quit worrying about shit around the world when we should be worrying about our own shit.
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I think people will continue to become dumber.

I think people will continue to become more lazy, sedintary, and unwilling to work.

I think we will have a semi near complete financial meltdown. (in our country at least).

I see America falling to the waist-side as a "super power", because of our willingness to let EVERYONE's beliefs and babble overthrow our own.

I forsee our daily driven cars in the next 15 years all costing $40-$60K. Eliminating "cars for everyone", and making it a LOT more difficult for the average-joe to afford a car for transportation.

I see China & N. Korea getting into a big pissing match after Kim Jong fuck-nuts Jr. steps into power. He wont know what to do, and his advisors will advise him to do some really dumb shit. He'll try and prove how much of a bad ass he is, and the USA and Japan will have to either irradicate his punk ass with a nuke, or sit him down and shut him up with a bullet in his forehead from the barrel of a sniper rifle.

I forsee Africa continuing to spread AIDS at alarming rates, and Angelina Jolie continuing on her "save the world" BS tour (and in the process, Brad Pitt will leave her bitch ass in the dust)

hmmm... that's about all I have to say about that....

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there is a movie about this and for the past two years i have been trying to remember what the fuck it's called. it's from the 80s or 90s, all i remember is it being dark out and some guy running from other people or whatever. anyways he pushes a button that kills every electronic component on the planet, batteries, all that shit.
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there is a movie about this and for the past two years i have been trying to remember what the fuck it's called. it's from the 80s or 90s, all i remember is it being dark out and some guy running from other people or whatever. anyways he pushes a button that kills every electronic component on the planet, batteries, all that shit.
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I agree in a lot of areas overpopulation is definitely a problem, but in America we have the opposite problem (which is long term an economic disaster). No one is having kids anymore.

I am 30 and out of all my friends there are less than 5 total kids to speak of. In our parents generation there would have been 100 or more.

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i was actually thinking about that the other day and then i was like....... what the fuck are we gonna have to sell to our kids other than some shitty furniture from the IKEA catolog that falls appart in 4 year, shitty cars that don't last over 10 years and electronics that will be so outdated noone will even know what to do with them. can you really see your kids saying " man i would give anything to have that iphone 4/ c5 corvette/ giant entertainment system, that dad had back when i was a kid".


i don't see anything drastic happening, i allways hate all the chicken littles running around and screaming how the sky is falling. i thought it was stupid when i was a tiny child having to hide under desks for nuke drills. i lauged at y2k, i laughed at the religious nutbags athat said jesus was gonna return in 2000 and i will laugh at the fags that are sack riding the 2012 bullshit.
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i thought it was stupid when i was a tiny child having to hide under desks for nuke drills.


and i will laugh at the fags that are sack riding the 2012 bullshit.
I was laughing so hard in grade school. I mean I was, what, 8 years old and understood that if a nuclear bomb was close enough for me to be under my desk, that it was close enough for that desk not to matter.

I also find it hilarious that the same people that believe the world will end in 2012 are the same people that are stocking up on supplies (canned food, water, batteries, lights, etc etc)

I mean, if the worlds gonna end, and you believe it.................. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STOCKING UP ON SUPPLIES.
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...I mean, if the world's gonna end, and you believe it...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STOCKING UP ON SUPPLIES?
My understanding of the "prophecy" is that the world isn't going to end.
Instead, there's going to be some kind of shift in our existence.
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You and bunch of other radical Muslims agree.
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