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i heart my i9000, but i went into the voda store the other day and there was a nice shiny nexus s sitting there. against my better judgment i went into the settings to see what they had running on it...

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"2.3.3"

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That is what they are all on it is the latest for handsets at least
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i heart my i9000, but i went into the voda store the other day and there was a nice shiny nexus s sitting there. against my better judgment i went into the settings to see what they had running on it...

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wouldnt ATT be better off unlocking people phones(that would rather keep phone they have) instead of replacing millions of them?
That's not exactly how it works. T-mobile's 3g runs on a different spectrum than ATTs. Instead of supporting Tmo's antiquated 3g network, they will be repurposing thousands of towers nationwide to be used with their LTE spectrum.
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fwiw 2.3 isn't that great..
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You can get 2.3.3 on the i9k you nigger.
Was waiting for an OTA, but i found a stock DL of it, gonna try that.


I have been trying to flash new roms forever but ive been having a shit ton of issues for some reason. its pissed me off to the point i dont care.

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Dusty. I was in the same boat as you. When living in Germany, SIM cards and GSM were the best, but that is because it was the ONLY option. Here, in the US, two of the top three cell phone (or should I say Handy? ) companies use CDMA. So trying to argue one is better than the other is dumb.

And, again, the majority of Americans do not travel abroad so the GSM/CDMA argument is moot. Think I saw a stat somewhere that said ~75% of people don't leave the country. Some because they are just backwards inbred idiots, but others because of the vast variety of things to do here in the US then of course monetary limitations.
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Was waiting for an OTA, but i found a stock DL of it, gonna try that.


I have been trying to flash new roms forever but ive been having a shit ton of issues for some reason. its pissed me off to the point i dont care.

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Is cyanogen not built for the standard i9k?
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So the shiny new mytouch 4g's me and the wife just bought in early Feb for 200 a piece going tobe useless cause edge blows balls. I have to have 3g.

I hope they offer some sort of discount on new at&t phones. I want an iPhone but ill have an expensive paper weight that will only work on edge. This kinda irritates me cause I'm past the 30 day grace period to opt out of T-Mobile.

Also we left at&t because of terrible customer serviceand high fees. Now I'm gonna be on there billing again. Damnit. I don't like sprint and Verizon seems more expensive than at&t. I feel stuck.

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So the shiny new mytouch 4g's me and the wife just bought in early Feb for 200 a piece going tobe useless cause edge blows balls. I have to have 3g.

I hope they offer some sort of discount on new at&t phones. I want an iPhone but ill have an expensive paper weight that will only work on edge. This kinda irritates me cause I'm past the 30 day grace period to opt out of T-Mobile.
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This isn't going to be an overnight thing

You will be able to use your phone still, they aren't shutting the freq down.Also they mentioned 3G for tmo not ALL 3G (Tmo and AT&T don't share that common freg for 3G)
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Dusty. I was in the same boat as you. When living in Germany, SIM cards and GSM were the best, but that is because it was the ONLY option. Here, in the US, two of the top three cell phone (or should I say Handy? ) companies use CDMA. So trying to argue one is better than the other is dumb.

And, again, the majority of Americans do not travel abroad so the GSM/CDMA argument is moot. Think I saw a stat somewhere that said ~75% of people don't leave the country. Some because they are just backwards inbred idiots, but others because of the vast variety of things to do here in the US then of course monetary limitations.
And i need GSM because i never know when i might leave the country.

I like being able to pop a sim from whatever country im in, in my phone and be good to go.

Thats another thing i hate about US carriers. I cant buy a US phone and use it on whoever i want without first having to call and get it unlocked. Why the fuck dont they just come unlocked?
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This isn't going to be an overnight thing

You will be able to use your phone still, they aren't shutting the freq down.Also they mentioned 3G for tmo not ALL 3G (Tmo and AT&T don't share that common freg for 3G)
I would rather stab myself in the dick with a mechanical pencil than chat cellular on this forum.
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I'm getting to that point

I mean it isn't rocket science
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And i need GSM because i never know when i might leave the country.

I like being able to pop a sim from whatever country im in, in my phone and be good to go.

Thats another thing i hate about US carriers. I cant buy a US phone and use it on whoever i want without first having to call and get it unlocked. Why the fuck dont they just come unlocked?
Then a GSM phone/provider is best for you. Just because it is good for you doesn't necessarily mean it is THE best overall.

I will agree with your last point though. US carriers are just effing greedy. Hell, just look at AT&T and what they pull (and get away with).
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Ok folks, here is a fucking break down of CDMA vs GSM before I stab myself.

Why it is prevalent in the US:

CDMA came first. Clearly an advantage.
Americans do not travel.
Americans are satisfied with a single device, fear change, etc.
The majority of Americans have no need to swap providers, etc. They want simplicity that is provided by a phone that doesn't have parts you can lose.
Subsidized prices. People like to go with what their provider can give them a deal on.

Why GSM is prevalent in most other nations:

Multiple contracted and prepaid providers. There are just simply more options in the rest of the world.
Travel.
Prepaid or contracted providers for different nations.
Flexibility. There are phone boutiques. Your service provider does not dictate the type of device you use. You can walk into any phone store and use it with any provider. Those providers that do sell phones often do not sell subsidized phones.
GSM is the only spectrum allowed by the EU.
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Are you a power user or someone who is overly critical? Most sheeple have no issues with their current providers until they begin to look for them.

Obviously this is not the case when there is large service problems.
Meh, I used to jailbreak it and tether it and all that other jazz, but nowadays it does everything I need it to.
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Is cyanogen not built for the standard i9k?
which one should get?
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I still don't see how this deal will pass the FCC/DoJ in it's current form. I'm not a follower of the monopoly talk per se since there will still be other service providers, but they will have a monopoly of sorts on the GSM spectrum.
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This isn't going to be an overnight thing

You will be able to use your phone still, they aren't shutting the freq down.Also they mentioned 3G for tmo not ALL 3G (Tmo and AT&T don't share that common freg for 3G)
Come on Jason. I'm not an idiot. I do know that there 3g frequencies are different. I bought this phone because its a nice fast phone on the 3g network. I know the phone will make and receive calls. What I mentioned is that I use data ALOT. I used 4.2gb of data last month. I use this phone for my job and my job reimburse's me for that. I chose this route as it was best for me. I can't even fathom 4gb of data over the edge network.

This is why I gave up my unlocked iPhone, cause edge is painfully slow. I know alot about cellular technology, unfortunately sometimes when I type out what I mean, it doesn't come out right.

Im sure they won't just flip the switch when the deal is done, that would make alot of customers very mad all at once. Heck my brand new contract will prolly be done before they just shut off the 3g network....or atleast I hope. Hopefully they will offer some serious discount plans for T-Mobile customers.

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I still don't see how this deal will pass the FCC/DoJ in it's current form. I'm not a follower of the monopoly talk per se since there will still be other service providers, but they will have a monopoly of sorts on the GSM spectrum.
This will pass due to the size of VZW, Sprint, and smaller cell companies such as Virgin and MetroPCS.

Even with getting T-Mo, there is still sizable competition and a large gap in market share.

In the end, most think a 2 party-system in the cellular world will benefit the consumer the most.
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This will pass due to the size of VZW, Sprint, and smaller cell companies such as Virgin and MetroPCS.

Even with getting T-Mo, there is still sizable competition and a large gap in market share.

In the end, most think a 2 party-system in the cellular world will benefit the consumer the most.
Sprint took Virgin over 100% last year iirc
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This is why I gave up my unlocked iPhone, cause edge is painfully slow. I know alot about cellular technology, unfortunately sometimes when I type out what I mean, it doesn't come out right.
The goals are to combine 2g/3g networks into a single spectrum (Not sure on how that is going to work.) and use T-Mobiles current 1700mhz 3g range for new 700/1700 LTE.

Which really explains why this buyout is even happening. ATT couldn't get the ranges they needed for a full LTE rollout, so they had to acquire a new range. Bam comes 700/1700.
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Sprint acquired Virgin Mobile USA, and retained the name. IIRC it is still ran by virgin mobile intl.
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Matt Buchanan — If we haven't already made it fairly clear, let's be straight up: We believe that AT&T's swallowing of T-Mobile USA is a bad thing for everybody except for AT&T and Deutsche Telekom. Let us count the ways.

Less competition all around
Right now, there are four major carriers. Verizon and AT&T are the biggest, with around 94 million and 86 million customers, respectively. Sprint's got 50 million, T-Mobile around 34 million. In the new landscape, you'll have two mega-carriers: AT&T, with 120 million or so, and Verizon, with around 94 million (probably a million or two more by the time the deal closes). And then Sprint. Which'll be half the size of the second largest carrier, and a little more than a third as big as the almighty AT&T. Obviously, that concentrates enormous, near-duopoly powers in the hands of AT&T and Verizon.

AT&T likes to talk about how there's tons of competition in local markets. MetroPCS, for example, is apparently a huge competitor that's totally busting AT&T's balls. (Typical response from people I've related that to: Who's MetroPCS?) Gartner mobile analyst Phil Redman says that AT&T's argument isn't entirely specious: Smaller regional carriers do legitimately still compete with AT&T, particularly on price in local areas—most people just want a network that works in their region. Nonetheless, it's hard to imagine regional carriers scaring the pants off of AT&T as legit competition nation-wide.

As Glenn Fleishman lays out here, right now, "AT&T leans on T-Mobile to roam customers in a large number of areas in which AT&T didn't spend money to build out service." So it would patch in those massive holes in its coverage area where T-Mobile's built out. It also adds much needed spectrum and towers in places like New York and San Francisco, where AT&T sucks because it simply doesn't have the capacity. And as AT&T explained today, it's going to be using T-Mobile's spectrum for 4G. All of this will give it serious competitive advantages against littler carriers, further concentrating serious national wireless broadband in the hands of a couple carriers. (The thing about spectrum is that there's only so much of it—like a crowded highway with a finite number of lanes.)

There are also untold and unpredictable lobbying and regulatory consequences. As Om Malik points out, Sprint and T-Mobile used to stand against Verizon and AT&T on a bunch of regulatory stuff—now Sprint will be all alone. (Maybe so alone it'll need to merge with somebody else. Sascha Segan may not be far off here, imagining a scenario where we wind up with nothing but Verizon and AT&T and how it would play out.)

Maybe most important from the competitive standpoint, T-Mobile was the major carrier that competed the most on price and customer service. Right now it's known as the cheap carrier. But having T-Mobile and Sprint be notably cheaper than the big two brought prices down for everybody. Remember when T-Mobile and Sprint sparked the unlimited calling war? Well, we're currently in the middle of an unlimited data war—also thanks to the smaller carriers. T-Mobile and Sprint will soon be the only carriers offering unlimited data—AT&T's switched to tiered, and Verizon will make the jump this summer. Text message fees are still totally ridiculous. Interestingly, Sprint may benefit here to some degree, says Gartner mobile analyst Phil Redman—they're suddenly the sole national operator competing on price, so they might pick up value-oriented customers from the combined AT&T-Mobile.

Same thing with phone choice. T-Mobile took chances and brought us the Sidekick—the precursor to what we expect in a modern, internet-connected phone, in many ways—and the first major Android phone, the G1. (Albeit, AT&T took a chance with the first iPhone, so we'll give them that.) AT&T's first Android phones weren't even announced for another year and a half. And they sucked, to boot. (The first decent AT&T Android phone, the Captivate didn't launch until summer of last year. Ridiculous.) Without T-Mobile, there's one less major national GSM carrier for phone makers to pitch phones to, less competition to enable a wider array of groundbreaking phones in a market that's filled to the brim with shitty handsets. Now we'll have one major GSM carrier in the US offering phones, and no real alternatives. And its track record, especially when it comes to Android, is fairly crummy.

Even if things do get better, it'll take a while
Okay, let's assume that the merger will cause flowers to sprout from phones, and the network will be magically and perfectly enhanced, with 4G for everybody.

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AT&T says that in NY and SF, it'll have a 25-35 percent boost in cell sites, along with T-Mobile's additional spectrum—the equivalent of five years of building. Which will result in better service. Gartner's Redman says in New York alone, T-Mobile owns 30MHz worth of spectrum that'll seriously alleviate pressure on AT&T's network there. So that's legit.

But the merger is expected to take a whole year to close. And then, even with AT&T's excellent record of integrating acquired networks into its own, and the ease of integrating T-Mobile's 1900MHz band into AT&T's, at best customers will see improvements in certain markets "within a year," with everyone seeing the benefits within two years. That's potentially three years away from today. (Meanwhile, today, AT&T's pushing 4G phones that don't deliver full 4G speeds.) And then there's the processs of migrating customers with current T-Mobile handsets over to AT&T's network, which will take years after that. (Fortunately, AT&T says it will pick up the cost.) So yeah, T-Mobile customers will eventually get the iPhone and people with iPhones may see better reception and coverage thanks to additional spectrum, towers and backhaul, but it's gonna be around 2-3 years for most people. And AT&T's been saying things'll be better in a couple years, well, every year. (Seriously, if they pitched me one more time about how 850MHz was going to fix everything, I was going to throw my brick-like iPhone at them. Though, props where props are due: It is better in NY than it has been in a long time, and in Austin for SXSW, they managed not having the network ground into dust for the first time in years.)

Then there's 4G. By that I mean LTE, not the fake stuff that's only halfway-working on AT&T right now. AT&T, in order to make the merger more swallowable by the FCC, is promising to cover 95 percent of Americans with 4G LTE, adding another 45.6 million people to its original coverage plans. (The FCC is super big on fast wireless broadband for rural areas.) This is good news. But! AT&T won't even reach 80 percent coverage until 2013. And then the last rural 15 percent? AT&T doesn't have an estimate. I bet it's some time after 2013 though!

So, if you can explain why this merger would be at all great, I'd really love to hear it. Right now, the end result looks like less competition, less choice, fewer phones, higher prices and marginally better service years down the road (which AT&T was promising already anyway). Awesome.
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