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If this were true, I would pre-order!

http://www.dirtrider.com/features/sp...ct-two-stroke/


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This just in: it looks as though Honda may be moving forward with plans to mass produce a Direct Inject 250cc two-stroke in 2015! The details are currently unclear, but it appears that the bike will draw on the CR250R two-stroke powerplant that was mass produced until 2007, but with a DI fuel delivery system. The chassis and bodywork clearly take cues from Honda’s existing CRF250R/ 450R lineup, with modern bodywork and a sleek design. In a nod to the CRF250X/ 450X, the bike evidently features a headlight and odometer, but no handguards. The final weight of the unit is unknown, but developers of the new bike have hinted that titanium exhaust components could help keep the end weight under 200 pounds. Clearly, this machine marks an attempt on behalf of Japanese manufacturers to compete with the Austrian companies in the off-road two-stroke segment.
Based on existing tooling and a push to sweep the market early, initial estimates put the suggested retail price under $5,000, and the rumor is that the bike will be street legal in all 50 states. Overheard at the Honda’s top secret off-road test track, star consultant and development rider Jeremy McGrath stated, “Wow, you can’t not nac-nac with this bike! I shaved two seconds off my lap times before the Honda was even warmed up, and that’s with a headlight!” Sources close to the king maintain that he may be planning a return to racing via the GNCC series under the JCR Honda banner aboard the new CR250R.
For more information on this wild new machine, check out the April 2nd, 2014 edition of the Weekly Dirt, right here on dirtrider.com.
Update, 04/02/2014: — Please take notice of the date posted. April Fool’s Day trickery. Sorry, we had to daydream!


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A 125cc two-stroke & a 250cc four-stroke basically make comparable amounts of power. Same goes for a 250cc two-stroke & a 450cc four-stroke. For example on Honda model names: CR125R (two-stroke), CR250R (two-stroke), CRF250R (four-stroke), & CRF450R (four-stroke).

You have to rebuild a two-stroke (usually just a new piston & rings) more often than a four-stroke. However if I had to pick an engine to blow up from a financial stand point it would be a two-stroke since they're cheaper to rebuild. Valves, cams, heads, & all of those other moving parts get expensive pretty fast on a "thumper."

I would not even bother with trying to make an off-road competition model Motocross bike street-legal, I highly doubt that would even be possible, but I could be wrong. Maybe you could look into a dual-sport or a SuperMoto bike?

When we were racing & riding Motocross quite heavily a few years back we never worried about titles for our Motocross bikes. If we bought one used we always made sure that we had a bill of sale for the bike. However I would never, ever buy a street-legal bike that did not have a title.

When we first started racing Motocross we were on 80cc two-strokes, then made the transition to "Big Bikes" on 125cc two-strokes, then followed the wave of the industry & switched to 250cc four-strokes & 450cc four-strokes.

I think I covered everything I wanted to say? lol

Edit: Also, a 125cc two-stroke & a 250cc two-stroke have different shaped expansion chambers. If you study a little bit & memorize the difference you can eyeball them quickly & be able to tell just by a glance.
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Shiiii. Honda never wants people to bring back 2 strokes. Reason being, they can't make a great one.
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Holy shit I want a 2 stroke 500 lol.
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Holy shit I want a 2 stroke 500 lol.
They make a ton of power for a dirtbike, but for a streetbike 2 stroke they don't make that much power. Only about 60 HP. If it had a decent streetport it would make more than that.
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That guy is a fgt.

Think about it, 2 stroke engines haven't changed since the late 80's maybe early 90's. MotoGP quit true development in the Late 90's, but it wasn't until the early 2000's where 4 strokes really started to take over. EPA came in told everyone 2 stroke is dirty(just like diesels).

Just imagine a modern day direct injected 2 stroke with oil injection for the crankcase. Shhhhhiiiiiiiiiieeeee
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I have a old little Yamaha scooter that's two stroke. It's awesome it mixes the oil and gas for you. Is that what you mean by oil injection?
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That's more of like an "auto mixer" approach...
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That guy is a fgt.

Think about it, 2 stroke engines haven't changed since the late 80's maybe early 90's. MotoGP quit true development in the Late 90's, but it wasn't until the early 2000's where 4 strokes really started to take over. EPA came in told everyone 2 stroke is dirty(just like diesels).

Just imagine a modern day direct injected 2 stroke with oil injection for the crankcase. Shhhhhiiiiiiiiiieeeee
Think what you want, including calling Destry Abbott a fgt, ( ) but he does have first-hand experience with both machines & is one Hell of a rider.
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That guy is a fgt.

Think about it, 2 stroke engines haven't changed since the late 80's maybe early 90's. MotoGP quit true development in the Late 90's, but it wasn't until the early 2000's where 4 strokes really started to take over. EPA came in told everyone 2 stroke is dirty(just like diesels).

Just imagine a modern day direct injected 2 stroke with oil injection for the crankcase. Shhhhhiiiiiiiiiieeeee
If you watched the video, he states that, and says he wonders how a KX500 would be had it's development continued.

4 strokes are SO much easier to go fast on, especially when you get into the 50+ hp power levels that the 450's produce. Ride them a gear high and use the torque curve.

I love riding 2 strokes, they have more of a fun powerband, but you're high on 2 stroke fumes if you think the 2 stroke is a superior motocross machine.
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Also, this thing looks killer. KTM 250 2 stroke "freeride" bike:

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Also, this thing looks killer. KTM 250 2 stroke "freeride" bike:

I got confused at first by that pipe. That thing has no belly to it.



Haven't looked into it, but I don't think that's a 2-stroke.

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I got confused at first by that pipe. That thing has no belly to it.



Haven't looked into it, but I don't think that's a 2-stroke.
It's a 2 stroke.

The pipe is definitely tuned for more low RPM action.
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If you watched the video, he states that, and says he wonders how a KX500 would be had it's development continued.

4 strokes are SO much easier to go fast on, especially when you get into the 50+ hp power levels that the 450's produce. Ride them a gear high and use the torque curve.

I love riding 2 strokes, they have more of a fun powerband, but you're high on 2 stroke fumes if you think the 2 stroke is a superior motocross machine.
I will mention 1 person. Kenny Roberts Sr.

Everyone always talks about the lack of torque with a 2 stroke. Its called gearing use it. Plus a 500 cc. 2 stroke is not going to be lacking torque if its a thumper.

Think about this, when hot 4 strokes are hard to start, also when racing a 250cc 2 stroke with an aluminum frame is lighter than a 450cc. 4 stroke. Its just science. The engines are lighter and CC for CC make more power.

The only way 4 strokes can compete is with more CC's or with possibly more cylinder to allow them to rev up to crazy high RPM. At that point you have to worry about valve float.
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Everyone always talks about the lack of torque with a 2 stroke. Its called gearing use it.
Thank you! Why do people have such a hard time dropping a gear or fanning the clutch? Find the hit and stay in it.
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I'm probably the slowest person on the site.

Karlen rode my 450 with just blazing speed this weekend....
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Why are you going so slow you have to fan the clutch to be in the powerband?
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I'll throw in my $.02 - you said you want a bike to "Follow your girlfriend on a quad" - to me that means primarily lower speed riding and you say you'll never top out one... I'd be looking at the "lesser" 4-stroke dirt bikes with the de-tuned engines (read more reliable/longer between rebuilds) and even something that may be able to be street licensed - something like the Suzuki DR-Z, Yamaha WR, Kawasaki KLR, etc. They typically use more durable valves and less radical cam timings (less top end valve jobs required and valves will likely be able to be ground vs replaced) and if you only ride occasionally they'll probably never need rebuilding. Plus most of them have electric start available on them - and if you're just looking for a recreational riding all-day deal that's awful nice to be able to throw your leg over and hit the button...

If you're doing super technical trails, wanting to do some racing or something - get the lighter/faster 'racing' off-road bikes.

As for the 2-stoke's: the comments of fouling plugs and such - if you're fouling plugs you need to go back to carb tuning - you're running it too rich somewhere - once set up properly and the engine maintained properly I've run plugs for years on recreational 2-strokes without fouling and just changed them as preventative maintenance and that was lugging them hard down in the rocks and hills of chadwick, and winding them out on the back roads and everything in-between... plus bike will start with 1-2 kicks when cold, 1 kick when warm all the time every time... The comments of rebuild costs: a basic top-end rebuild is cheap (piston/pin, rings, gaskets, pin bearing) but if you score a cylinder or have a loose lower end bearing it gets a LOT more expensive.
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I was driving a kx250 the other night. Man that thing is insane, I want a two stroke now.

I lied, after 35 mins I was full throttle through all the gears on it if it didn't stand up lol


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I have rode 2 strokes for years and have had my fair share of 4 stroke experience as well. 4 strokes have really gotten bad ass over the past decade, and they are much easier to go fast on. Much less clutch work, better traction typically, less shifting, etc.

With that said, I don't think I would ever buy a "high strung" 4 stroke as maintenance costs are too great. Something for casual trail riding like an xr400 would be nice; they will run forever.

2 strokes are a breeze to work on. last 2 stroke I had was a yz125, I ran the piss out of that bike. Once you do a topend rebuild a few times it became really easy. I could change the piston out in about 1 1/2 hours. considering an entire top end kit is less than $100 for parts, I would change the piston every 6 months or, even though only once did it ever really seem to need it (worn rings). Compare that to a topend rebuild on a 4 stroke; probably $750 - $1000.
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