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This gun git gud.

Trump says he asked for Bolton's resignation. Bolton says he offered his resignation but was told no and they'd talk today. Then the tweet.

Trump's clearly trying to change the narrative that he fired Bolton instead of Bolton resigning in protest to Trump.

Bridges getting burned. Bolton and the Mooch should go have a chat.
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Training the swamp of the shit he filled it with... what is this #3 now?
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Bolton was along the same lines as Mattis, they both wanted to keep the troops in countries and fighting, Trump wants to bring them home.

Me, I just want results, terrorists not attacking the US.

I want to see how this plays out over Trumps remaining 5.5 years.
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It’s not a secret these two didn’t see eye to eye.

It has been quite some time coming for Bolton to bounce. My guess is that Trump told him they’d talk, Bolton knew what was coming, and resigned.
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It has been quite some time coming for Bolton to bounce. My guess is that Trump told him they’d talk, Bolton knew what was coming, and resigned.
if only the President was authorized to pick someone they liked and agreed with for National Security Advisor... then he could finally get someone in there that isn't a crook or that he didn't clash with... only the best people, nothing to see here


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if only the President was authorized to pick someone they liked and agreed with for National Security Advisor... then he could finally get someone in there that isn't a crook or that he didn't clash with... only the best people, nothing to see here


I don't see anything wrong with realizing he had the wrong person for the job for his vision and letting him go.
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if only the President was authorized to pick someone they liked and agreed with for National Security Advisor...


I may get clowned once this question plays all of the way out...as I'm clueless to what the answer will be...but I'll ask it anyway.


How many direct reports do you have?
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I don't see anything wrong with realizing he had the wrong person for the job for his vision and letting him go.
Its his 3rd National Security Adviser and number 55 of the inner circle (so high ranking and or cabinet) to be lost to firing, resignation and/or indictment. Not only is he on pace to beat Reagan but most have not had any transition plan in place, if you count the "acting" position it almost doubles. Hell, this isnt even his first "acting" NSA.

The supposed skilled leader who was going to drain the swamp seems to have trouble finding people who aren't a bad fit, incompetent, or a convicted felon.
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How many direct reports do you have?
My team has been between 4 and 7 over the years and the only ones we lost were to promotions after at least 4 years on the team and one even returned because he hated his new job. One of the most important parts of leadership is selecting the right people, its one of the main things my dad (who ended his career as a VP of a MNC) stressed to me.
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Its his 3rd National Security Adviser and number 55 of the inner circle (so high ranking and or cabinet) to be lost to firing, resignation and/or indictment. Not only is he on pace to beat Reagan but most have not had any transition plan in place, if you count the "acting" position it almost doubles. Hell, this isnt even his first "acting" NSA.

The supposed skilled leader who was going to drain the swamp seems to have trouble finding people who aren't a bad fit, incompetent, or a convicted felon.
OK.

He still saw it wasn't a good fit with his vision. Ever had a bad hire? Is it better to hold onto them and hope they eventually get it right? Sometimes that may work. But when you're the NSA, the decisions can have catastrophic results.

And I'm not necessarily defending his appointments, just saying I understand wanting to move on from a terse relationship with an important cabinet member.
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OK.

He still saw it wasn't a good fit with his vision. Ever had a bad hire? Is it better to hold onto them and hope they eventually get it right? Sometimes that may work. But when you're the NSA, the decisions can have catastrophic results.

And I'm not necessarily defending his appointments, just saying I understand wanting to move on from a terse relationship with an important cabinet member.
Yes I've had a bad hire or two over the years. I haven't had 55 bad hires in 3 years though.
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Yes I've had a bad hire or two over the years. I haven't had 55 bad hires in 3 years though.

I’d call it less of a lack of good judgement, and more of a lack of understanding of what the expectations were after being thrust into a completely new ball game, literally overnight.

His lack of experience in any political position whatsoever caused some ripples, but it’s well worth the price paid to have such great leadership at the top of the Executive Branch.
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there is definitely more art than science in hiring but with 55 people leaving through some combination of crook, personality conflict, or moral objection against his actions that he would've had direct control over hiring in 3 years? he's fucking terrible at it. the fact that his moronic kids are still involved in his business goes to show that he has no business being involved in the hiring of employees. its not like they could run grandpa's company any worse than dad has but the best leaders surround themselves with people that compliment their skillset and intelligently challenge their ideas. Trump's fragile ego can't handle the concept that he makes a mistake on a weather report...
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He still saw it wasn't a good fit with his vision. Ever had a bad hire? Is it better to hold onto them and hope they eventually get it right? Sometimes that may work. But when you're the NSA, the decisions can have catastrophic results.
And I'm not necessarily defending his appointments, just saying I understand wanting to move on from a terse relationship with an important cabinet member.
and yet his first NSA has pled guilty to committing felonies and his judge had to ask if he should be put to death as a traitor to the nation. his second NSA was a decent hire but Trump fired him because they didn't get along because McMaster wasn't just a lapdog to the idiocy he was surrounded by (and now Trump has apparently started reaching back out to him saying he missed him...). his third NSA is a blithering idiot who put forward all the ideas that Trump didn't like before Trump ever got into office so there's no reason Trump shouldn't have known exactly what he was getting when he selected him. funny enough, I actually respect Bolton more for not kowtowing to Trump's nonsense and sticking to his guns no matter how stupid and terrible they've been since Bush selected him...

this is beyond bad hires. this is someone that either is one of the worst executives in personnel (and other) matters in history or someone that is so intellectually incurious that he doesn't even find out who people are before he hires them and gives them immense power over the future of our nation.
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Yes I've had a bad hire or two over the years. I haven't had 55 bad hires in 3 years though.
This. I haven't had to fire 2 people in three years in my entire life, let alone 50. Maybe Trump is shit at hiring.
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I’d call it less of a lack of good judgement, and more of a lack of understanding of what the expectations were after being thrust into a completely new ball game, literally overnight.

His lack of experience in any political position whatsoever caused some ripples, but it’s well worth the price paid to have such great leadership at the top of the Executive Branch.
Don't break your back bending like that...
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Well then, I guess he should’ve just kept Bolton so you guys could bitch about him having a Warhawk as his NSA.

Makes sense.
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Well then, I guess he should’ve just kept Bolton so you guys could bitch about him having a Warhawk as his NSA.
Makes sense.
OR...

Trump could've simply realized that Bolton was a war hawk because he's never hidden that fact from literally anyone, and NOT HIRED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE...

literally no one that understands English (or even human body language really) should have ever had any illusions about who Bolton is and if it was his warhawking that got him fired by Trump then that's on Trump because Bolton hasn't ever hidden that part of his beliefs/character.
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Well then, I guess he should’ve just kept Bolton so you guys could bitch about him having a Warhawk as his NSA.

Makes sense.
Or not hire crooks and Fox News contributors? Maybe hire well regarded scientists for the science positions instead of lobbyists (he has literally put a lobbyist in as an appointee for every science position), maybe hire experienced national security and military experts (and listen to them, instead of expecting a 4 star general to bend over and suck your dick like fish would), etc.

Yeah, you might have one or two flops, but probably not 50+.

I like how you just keep glossing over that, just ignore the fact that Trump hired him in the first place, along with all of these other garbage hires. As if firing 50+ of his own hires makes him a hero and were supposed to completely forget that he hired the shitheads in the first place.

Drain the swamp indeed, of the toxic waste HE dumped in it.
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You must not read what that's saying, because it's pretty clear that it shows his total turnover is more in first 2.5 years than everyone except Reagan had for their entire first term (4 full years). That's terrible. His first year turnover doubles the next closest President (again Reagan).

What's worse is that his cabinet level turnover is higher than all of those other administrations first term, by a wide margin, in only 2.5 years under Trump. Trump has 9 cabinet departures in 2.5 years compared to 3 for Obama over 4 years.

Did you seriously not read this or just can't understand it? Legit question.
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Trump turnover in 3 years is 65, Obamas in 4 years is 53, with Bush at 63 and Clinton at 70. Sure, in 4 years Trump will have more than these presidents but not by much.

I don't see an issue here.
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There is turnover due to better opportunities- promotions, corporate/private sector etc...

And then there is turnover due to poor management / or poor hiring and terminations.

This is why context is always important.
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You’d see a whole lot better if you took those giant rosy glasses off and saw reality.
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Bolton was along the same lines as Mattis, they both wanted to keep the troops in countries and fighting, Trump wants to bring them home.

Me, I just want results, terrorists not attacking the US.

I want to see how this plays out over Trumps remaining 5.5 years.
You are loonier than a cartoon.

How do you manage to keep a straight face while espousing your alternate reality that you seem to fabricate on pure faith alone?
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