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I will admit, I have not been this excited about a CPU/Chipset in a long time.
We've been in such a lull with Intel lately. Nothing really worth getting excited about since the i7 920. This is exciting because we've got AMD who desperately needs (and deserves) a boost in support, and they are so eager to support us gamers back. Just take a peek at the Ryzen Master tool to see how serious they are about helping us realize full overclocking potential.

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The benchmarks coming in are not looking good for gaming. Like...on par with my current 3570k....I knew it wasn't going to touch the 7700k but to only match the 3570k which is like...4-5 years old at this point, that's disappointing.

Overclocking also not looking good. Barely able to get over what the XFR speed is...so what you see is what you get.

Hype train derailed...AMD is still the same old AMD.
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Disappointing. Looks great for rendering and heavy multi-threaded processes, but that's about it.

My build list just switched back to a 7700k, but at this point I may just rock my 3570k for another year and upgrade to a 1070 or 1080.
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Yeah prosumers have a legit out of the box CPU that will compete with the 6900k...but for gamers, not a good sell.
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i think ill just go a GPU upgrade too and call it a year

my 3570K should be fine for one more year...I hope.
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So Joker is showing that the 1700 is trading blows with the 7700k.

I've seen a lot of reviews today, and they seem to be pretty inconsistent on R7 performance. I definitely wouldn't be going for the 1800x, but the 1700 is still tempting since I will be doing more than just gaming when I build my new rig.

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So Joker is showing that the 1700 is trading blows with the 7700k.

I've seen a lot of reviews today, and they seem to be pretty inconsistent on R7 performance. I definitely wouldn't be going for the 1800x, but the 1700 is still tempting since I will be doing more than just gaming when I build my new rig.

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yeah all these reviews and benches are inconsistent as shit, they are all over the board right now....im glad I didnt pop and pre-order anything.

Ill wait for the end of the year and decide then.
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Picked up my shit for ryzen build hope to fire it up tonight.
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How'd it go? - 1700, 1700X or 1800X?

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yeah all these reviews and benches are inconsistent as shit, they are all over the board right now....im glad I didnt pop and pre-order anything.

Ill wait for the end of the year and decide then.
I was all in for it, but it seems like for gaming, which i do the most, they still lack in IPC, single core speed compared to the intels.
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I was all in for it, but it seems like for gaming, which i do the most, they still lack in IPC, single core speed compared to the intels.
You have been looking at too many 1080P and lower resolution gaming - I've noticed the same thing, but when you dig deeper on the "review" it's always at a lower resolution - Now a days 1080P is yesterdays 640X480.

Once you get the resolution up into the 1440P+ range the Ryzen shows only a lack of clock speed versus the 4.5/5.0 Oc'd intel offering specs. (6900X and 7700K mostly).

then there is VR/Multi threaded performance numbers - for a NEW compute platform the Ryzen is kicking some ass running all intel optimized benchmarks and software. - Flat -

I think the IPC is very close CLK to CLK - It's obviously skewed by the super mature Intel OC knowledge and plethora of OC'd benchmarks. Ryzen is not being compared to Intel Silicon that's days old, it's fighting all those "perfect samples" that have benchmark score on record.

Give it some time, once the OC barrier is figured out, and the Drivers and software mature a little - Zen is going ot level into its own.


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then there is VR/Multi threaded performance numbers - for a NEW compute platform the Ryzen is kicking some ass running all intel optimized benchmarks and software. - Flat -
This right here is one of the main problems' Intel's has had a lead for so long it comes down to market willingness to support optimization for two platforms IMO.

So pulling the ryzen trigger is risky due to that factor alone.
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You have been looking at too many 1080P and lower resolution gaming - I've noticed the same thing, but when you dig deeper on the "review" it's always at a lower resolution - Now a days 1080P is yesterdays 640X480.


Give it some time, once the OC barrier is figured out, and the Drivers and software mature a little - Zen is going ot level into its own.

yeah, i don't disagree with anything you said. that's the resolution i game at, 1080. Obviously when you go into 4k the processor is going to pick up the slack.

yeah once drivers and bios updates get caught up, i honestly think the 1700 overclocked is the one to get.
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How'd it go? - 1700, 1700X or 1800X?

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And I'm waiting on EVGA to drop the hydro copper 1080Ti's and I'll trade up my 980Ti's to the 1080Ti's under the EVGA trade up program and be all set for some power user testing. I game, have a few Sandbox VM's running and some Docker on Windows containers in use - I multi boot between Linux and Win10 on a regular basis so this should be a fun set up.

I push 2 PG279Q's and a Nice new PG348Q currently @ 100Hz combined, no plans to upgrade the display set up. ( 3 X 980Ti WC dedicated loop 240mm currently)

I'll have a full benchmark run down when I get it all set up.

I had pre-ordered the 1800x but ended up canceling it. They put my dad in hospice and doesn't have much longer to live so I figured id rather spend my time and money with him then build a pc at this time.
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For starters, the company said Windows 10’s scheduler isn’t guilty. Internet hardware detectives had started to focus their blame on Windows 10 scheduler, the part of the operating system that doles out work to each individual core or thread in a chip. Many believe Windows 10 scheduler is throwing out work to the wrong cores or threads, hobbling performance.
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“We have investigated reports alleging incorrect thread scheduling on the AMD Ryzen processor,” AMD’s Robert Hallock wrote in the blog post. “Based on our findings, AMD believes that the Windows 10 thread scheduler is operating properly for ‘Zen,’ and we do not presently believe there is an issue with the scheduler adversely utilizing the logical and physical configurations of the architecture.”

Why this matters: Ryzen’s confusing benchmarks have fueled this hot debate. In many multi-threaded tasks, it performs like a bat out of hell and easily matches Intel CPUs that cost twice as much. But when it comes to gaming at standard resolutions of 1080p or at low-quality settings, the performance can lag behind Intel’s newest 7th-gen Kaby Lake CPU, as well as its Broadwell-E chip. Our own tests have shown that at higher resolutions and and higher game settings, the average gamer is unlikely to ever see the difference. And yet the debate rages on.
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The Windows 10 scheduler theory thrived in part because the problem didn’t manifest itself in Windows 7. AMD shot down that notion in the same blog post.
PCWorld AMD’s $500 Ryzen can match Intel’s $1,100 Core i7 in Premiere Creative Cloud 2017 when rendering using the CPU. The $330 Ryzen isn’t that far behind either.
“Finally, we have reviewed the limited available evidence concerning performance deltas between Windows 7 and Windows 10 on the AMD Ryzen CPU,” Hallock wrote. “We do not believe there is an issue with scheduling differences between the two versions of Windows. Any differences in performance can be more likely attributed to software architecture differences between these OSes.”
Next, AMD debunked another popular theory that fingered Windows 10. “As an extension of this investigation, we have also reviewed topology logs generated by the Sysinternals Coreinfo utility,” a command-line tool that provides information on how a CPU’s processor cores, caches, and other components handle data. “We have determined that an outdated version of the application was responsible for originating the incorrect topology data that has been widely reported in the media,” Hallock wrote. “Coreinfo v3.31 (or later) will produce the correct results.”
Another Internet conspiracy theory (which was once proposed by AMD as a fix) is to shut off the CPU’s SMT (symmetrical multi-threading) support for more performance. AMD has walked back that guidance. “We have investigated reports of instances where SMT is producing reduced performance in a handful of games,” Hallock wrote. “Based on our characterization of game workloads, it is our expectation that gaming applications should generally see a neutral/positive benefit from SMT.”
PCWorld Our review found confusing results with Ryzen sometimes taking a backseat to Intel’s chips where we didn’t expect it.
The fix: Optimization

As AMD CEO Lisa Su said in a Reddit AMA just after the chip was released, the answer may come from game optimizations. Hallock echoed Su’s statement again in Monday’s blog post.
“Above all, we would like to thank the community for their efforts to understand the Ryzen processor and reporting their findings,” he said. “The software/hardware relationship is a complex one, with additional layers of nuance when preexisting software is exposed to an all-new architecture. We are already finding many small changes that can improve the Ryzen performance in certain applications, and we are optimistic that these will result in beneficial optimizations for current and future applications.”
Still, one must wonder what’s going on with a chip that exceeds expectations in what you would think are heavy-duty applications, but is slightly disappointing in tasks that are typically thought to be inconsequential for a burly CPU.
PCWorld The good news for Ryzen is most gamers won’t notice it at the resolutions and settings most will play games at.
Editors at PC Perspective have made some headway on proving another popular theory. The initial 8-core Ryzen is built using two 4-core components called a CCX complex. These CCX units communicate via a high-speed fabric. PC Perspective found that workloads or threads suffered due to higher latency when crossing the CCX complex. In multi-threaded tasks, the latency doesn’t crop up, because the workload is spread across all cores. In lighter loads, the latency may show up because the threads may cross the CCX complex more often.
PCPer believes the problems can be reduced by restricting the workloads of lightly-threaded games or applications to the same CCX complex. In other words, the optimization Su and Hallock highlighted.
PC Perspective’s tests also largely found that Windows 10’s scheduler was functioning properly.
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the Threadripper chips are starting to leak specs - 12 or 16 core, 24 or 32 thread.

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These parts are designed to go head to head with the 6950, 6900, 6850 line up from Intel.

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How about some updates, I heard the latest bios updates are really ironing things out for Ryzen gaming. Atleast in 1080... Here's a shot from Tomb Raider benchmark.

What are you guys seeing? Now that i'm actually rendering and had my machine freeze last night during rendering....i'm ready for some ryzen.




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