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TIL Karlen knows more about my car and motor than I do.
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You're not even understanding what I'm saying.

Well then stop being a twat and spell it out?


You can't compare aftermarket options of most 50K+ cars to those half that price.

There's a reason mustang, cumaro, etc. have so many options. Production numbers , popularity, and accessibility to those with challenged pocket books
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Holy shit...

Stage 2 version of my turbo.

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Well then stop being a twat and spell it out?


You can't compare aftermarket options of most 50K+ cars to those half that price.

There's a reason mustang, cumaro, etc. have so many options. Production numbers , popularity, and accessibility to those with challenged pocket books
He said some kit is coming and they'll finally be able to see what the motor is capable of. A 9 year old motor needed 9 years for a kit to come out to see what it's capable of. You think the ls1 that came out in 98 took til 06 for a kit to make 800whp? That's why I lol'd.
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He said some kit is coming and they'll finally be able to see what the motor is capable of. A 9 year old motor needed 9 years for a kit to come out to see what it's capable of. You think the ls1 that came out in 98 took til 06 for a kit to make 800whp? That's why I lol'd.


This engine isn't as simple as that.

it isn't some junk yard v8 you can slap a big turbo on and call it a day. With how much engine management and how tight the engine is fitted with custom manifolds and what not, it's amazing companies even took on this challenge.
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Karlen, just stop.
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This engine isn't as simple as that.

it isn't some junk yard v8 you can slap a big turbo on and call it a day. With how much engine management and how tight the engine is fitted with custom manifolds and what not, it's amazing companies even took on this challenge.
I like how you took 98 ls1, which would have been the c5 and turned it into a junkyard 4.8.
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Ok?

Nice sidestep around everything.

You are comparing apples to tree branches here.

I am curious though, what year did 800+ LS cars start becoming a common thing? It seems like a more recent (past couple years) that it became more than a just a couple guys around the country type thing.
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Bro. You tried to change the argument from ls1 vette to junkyard motors. Dont even try to say it was me who sidestepped.

I'd put money on an Ls1 making 800 within a year of release, if not within months.

As far as common to see ls shit running around with that kind of power, I don't know, but certainly before 9 year mark.
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Right, because it's a basic v8 with basic engine management and that type of v8 has been around for decades, bro.

This was a brand new engine in 07 with zero aftermarket in place what so ever. Nothing that worked on an LT1 that could be slightly modified for an LS1 or anything like that. Everything had to be designed and created from scratch. They also had to deal with a very advanced engine control that isn't as forgiving as your standard Chevy ecu. You also have a super tight area to work in that had small turbos crammed in a small space with a custom turbofold setup.

To more than double the stock power and have it into a kit that is readily available to just purchase, install with no fab work and go put down 700+? Thats not something that happens overnight.

Again, you are comparing two completely different worlds. That said, please show me this LS1 kit that makes getting. 800+ easily done and readily available that was available within months back in 98.

Like I already said, maybe one or two across the country was making big power in the beginning, no way bolt on no fab kits were out there. Hell even now it seems like every turbo LS setup I see is different based on how the user fabbed up everything.

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Don't act like the corvette and 99 Camaro has a ton of room under the hood to work with.

I'll look after class but it's pretty well known for Hennessey and lingenfelter etc to pump out big power soon after release.
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Let's not act like there weren't 600+HP N54 earlier than now. But if you wanted to do it, you had to pay a pretty penny for it. Now they are offering a kit that is way more affordable compared to what you would have to custom make. HPF has been doing them for a while, it was just a car to car basis. There are also a lot more supporting mods available now that makes 800+HP easier to get to.
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don't forget HPF went under and out of business, there's a guy on e90post that has been a test bed from pretty much day 1 (he did it with an IS300) back in the day as well and if there was a new mod he did it and tested it extensively (last I read he went single turbo) he has a lot of expendable income I would say
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Don't act like the corvette and 99 Camaro has a ton of room under the hood to work with.

I'll look after class but it's pretty well known for Hennessey and lingenfelter etc to pump out big power soon after release.
Enough room to put massive turbos or superchargers in there. That isn't there for the bimmers


And again, like I said, those companies simply went with the parts they already had built for previous gens and slightly modified them. There was NOTHING on the market like the N54 when it first came out. Companies for the cars and went "wtf is this?" And had to start from scratch and learn along the way.

400 and 500 came quickly. Getting to the level they are at now for an affordable "kit" is what's taken a long time.

I'm sure those lingenfelter setups are so cheap too.
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Damn Karl u dumb.

I know he gets off to arguing but damn.
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Please, show me how I'm wrong.

I laughed at how waiting 9 years for a motor to see what it can do, which are martys exact words.
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I laughed at how waiting 9 years for a motor to see what it can do, which are martys exact words.
They still have not reached the limits of the block or internals. What more do you want me to say? Fueling has been more of an issue than anything.
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I said it was funny and the BMW boys got mad. I'm not looking for you to say anything.
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Just talked to our engineer Eric at work, who was huge into early LS stuff along with a buddy that built badass nitrous trucks.

Everybody ran the hot cam because it was the biggest a factory computer could learn. That massive 218/227 .525/.525. LS1edit didn't even release until 2001, in which they spent a lot of time back and forth with Parish and others trying to figure out the instruction-less software. The only gaskets you could source for LS stuff as of 2002-2003 was from a GM dealer strictly. Stroker kits didn't hit until ~2004, before that it was just "I think these rods should work," etc, and even then you'd spend $5k on a stroker kit.
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Also, if you want to compare apples to apples, look more into the LNF and other direct injection engines that suffer the same fueling issues.
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Correct.

I'm sure they could just go blow one up if they want to but as they increase boost they have to increase fuel. They are going slowly because it's all BRAND NEW!

Chevy V8 modding has been around for decades, not just since 98.

They are now even running out of fuel with upgraded pumps and having to design port injection and throttle body injection to supplement. That shit takes lots and lots of R&D which takes time.

They are getting to the 700s and close to 800s consistently now on stock internal bottom and top end. They will keep turning them up but as they do more challenges present themselves. Running out of room for bottom mount so they designed top mounts, more time for R&D. Running out of fuel so they had to come up with PI and secondary fuel rails. Oh and integrating that with the DME is another crazy challenge.
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I said it was funny and the BMW boys got mad. I'm not looking for you to say anything.
Not mad, just seems like you aren't understanding.

Then again like squeaky just showed, I think your thinking that it was commonplace for an LS car to be hitting 800+ early in its life is way off.
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Not mad, just seems like you aren't understanding.

Then again like squeaky just showed, I think your thinking that it was commonplace for an LS car to be hitting 800+ early in its life is way off.
OK. So stangkilrs c7. It's di. What's his power at now?

I tried googling on my phone, but I can't find a #
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810whp last time out. Iirc

Pretty sure he said he is now running into fuel issues too.

But again, that is ONE car with a lot of R&D being done on it and not some brand new engine concept that's never been worked with. You're confusing one off setups with commonly used kits that can be purchased from an online store and installed easily.

Is that setup a kit that anyone with a C7 could just slap on and put an off the shelf map on and go? No. It would take a lot of work and tweaking that he has done.

Cams were easy to make because they had a blue print from previous gen Chevy V8s, procharger setup just had to be modified a little from previous but the knowledge was there.

There is and has been a massive aftermarket in place for Chevy v8s for a long long time.

There was NOTHING for turbo straight 6 bmw engines because they didn't exist.
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OK. So stangkilrs c7. It's di. What's his power at now?

I tried googling on my phone, but I can't find a #
He's run into fueling issues and cam issues IIRC, as the high pressure fuel pump operates off a cam lobe.

Not sure if he ever figured that out, that was a few months ago.
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