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not incapable at all. problematically for me, he'll do just fine at running it just like one of his business ventures... he fucks over everyone that's not him, gets his and fucks off leaving us taxpaying suckers holding the flaming bag of shit.

his tax plan is a prime example:
- he makes sure that he is taken care of? check
- he doesn't give a shit how it will impact the marks that voted for him? check
- everyone that is going to be left paying higher taxes/getting fewer services so that pass-through income and corporations get tax cuts? check

the system is setup to handle an incoherent/incompetent President, just like we saw from 1986-1988 and from 2000-2008... the running of the country is spread into so many hands that it can hold its own for awhile... however, the power of Presidency isn't setup in such a way to protect against a crook who is enriching themselves AND is an incompetent narcissist at the same time... too many things are left in the hands of the President because of a gridlocked Congress and because the assumption has always been that Congress would stop a crook if necessary. Congress is far too supplicant for that now and I'm pissed because I don't want me and my kids left holding the flaming bag of shit when this little experiment in the limits of our democracy is finished.
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Hopefully your wrong.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm just pissed because as time has moved forward, I see more evidence that I'm not.
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Justice Department ‘Looking Into’ Hillary Clinton’s Emails— Again

It’s the most scrutinized email server of all time. But the president is demanding it get scrutinized again. And DOJ is taking a fresh look.










Justice Department officials are taking a fresh look at Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she served as secretary of State, The Daily Beast has learned.
An ally of Attorney General Jeff Sessions who is familiar with the thinking at the Justice Department’s Washington headquarters described it as an effort to gather new details on how Clinton and her aides handled classified material. Officials’ questions include how much classified information was sent over Clinton’s server; who put that information into an unclassified environment, and how; and which investigators knew about these matters and when. The Sessions ally also said officials have questions about immunity agreements that Clinton aides may have made.
A former senior DOJ official familiar with department leadership’s thinking said officials there are acutely aware of demands from President Donald Trump that they look into Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State—and that they lock up her top aide, Huma Abedin.
For instance, Trump tweeted on Dec. 2, “Many people in our Country are asking what the ‘Justice’ Department is going to do about the fact that totally Crooked Hillary, AFTER receiving a subpoena from the United States Congress, deleted and ‘acid washed’ 33,000 Emails? No justice!”


“If the White House asks you to look into it... The answer is to tell the White House to stay out of investigations and prosecutions, especially when it comes to your political opponents.”
— Matt Miller

The former official said tweets like this present two challenges for department leadership: looking into the matter in a way consistent with normal Justice Department approaches, and trying to avoid the appearance that they are trying “to put Huma in jail.”



A spokesperson for the Justice Department declined to comment for this story.
It’s an open question as to whether Justice Department officials would have the same level of interest in Clinton’s server without a political directive from the White House, the former official said.



Last week, the State Department released emails, in response to a lawsuit from the conservative group Judicial Watch, showing that classified material was on the computer of Abedin’s then-husband Anthony Weiner. Sources told The Daily Beast that Justice Department officials were looking into the Clinton emails before those documents were released.


Stephen Boyd, who heads the Justice Department's Office of Legislative Affairs, appeared to hint at the department’s interest in Clinton’s emails in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte on Nov. 13. In the letter, Boyd wrote that that Sessions “directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues” the chairman was concerned about. He also wrote that those prosecutors would “make recommendations as to whether any matters not currently under investigation should be opened,” and that they would send those recommendations directly to the attorney general and his top deputy, Rod Rosenstein.
Brian Fallon, formerly a spokesperson for the Justice Department and Clinton’s presidential campaign, said he suspects DOJ officials are engaging in perfunctory steps “to give Trump and his allies something to talk about and point to, and something to give Fox News to devote segments to.”
“I think that even that is extremely dangerous, and that the Justice Department should not be opening itself up to the perception that it is bending to political pressures from the White House,” Fallon continued. “The Justice Department is supposed to operate independently of the White House, and even if this is just a perfunctory step that they’re taking to try to appease the president, that in and of itself is an abuse of the DOJ authority.”
Nick Merrill, Secretary Clinton’s communications director, had this to say:








“As Trump begins the new year with Steve Bannon calling his campaign treasonous and indictments and guilty pleas piling up, he resorts to diversion and distraction like clockwork, with the help of his attorney general. Few matters have been more scrutinized than emails, and it was determined that there was no wrongdoing. Trump’s behavior shows a profound disrespect for the rule of law and an unprecedented abuse of power—with his attorney general following suit at every turn. It tarnishes our justice system, and should be deeply troubling to all Americans.”
Clinton’s use of a private email server—which the FBI previously investigated, and declined to recommend for criminal prosecution—became a huge issue on the campaign trail. Trump mentioned it at just about every campaign rally, frequently followed by chants of “Lock her up!” from his supporters. On July 5, then-FBI Director James Comey made an unprecedented public statement blasting Clinton’s use of the server, but then explained why the bureau wouldn’t recommend she or any of her associates be prosecuted.
Over the summer, Trump made the email story a central campaign narrative. And at the Oct. 9 presidential debate, he threatened to incarcerate Clinton if he won the election.
“If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation,” he said, referring to her emails, “because there has never been so many lies, so much deception.”
“It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” she replied.

“Because you’d be in jail,” he retorted.








In the weeks after that exchange, the email story dominated the news; on Oct. 28, Comey sent a letter to Capitol Hill—which promptly leaked—saying the investigation was reopened. Then, on Nov. 6, two days before the election, Comey followed up with another letter explaining that he actually hadn’t found new information in additional emails. Republicans were irate that Comey backtracked. Clinton’s camp was irate that he’d said anything at all. In less than two weeks, the FBI director had pulled off a vanishingly rare Washington feat: upsetting everyone.
And though Trump (obviously) became president, many conservatives still argue the Justice Department didn’t adequately investigate Clinton. The president himself, with lots of encouragement from the crew at Fox & Friends, has lobbed a host of critical tweets at the Justice Department on the issue.
“Crooked Hillary Clinton’s top aid [sic], Huma Abedin, has been accused of disregarding basic security protocols,” he wrote on Tuesday morning. “She put Classified Passwords into the hands of foreign agents. Remember sailors pictures on submarine? Jail! Deep State Justice Dept must finally act? Also on Comey & others.”
Conservatives said the revelation that Justice Department officials are looking at Clinton’s email server comes as a relief.
“Clearly, that’s the least they can be doing, is asking some of these questions,” said Tom Fitton, who heads Judicial Watch. “I think there’s enough there to re-initiate an investigation.”
“It’s certainly a positive development,” added Fitton, whose organization sued for the release of thousands of Clinton emails and deposed her top aides. “It’s part of what we’ve been demanding.”


“It’s about time they’re doing a review of this whole mess.”
— Mark Corallo

Mark Corallo—a former spokesperson for Trump’s legal team and the John Ashcroft-era Justice Department—also said it’s a good sign.
“People should be encouraged that the new leadership at the Justice Department is actually interested in a nonpartisan, above-board Justice Department that treats every citizen equally,” he said. “And we can hope that this means they are dedicating themselves to cleaning up the Justice Department and the FBI, sanctioning any FBI agents or DOJ lawyers who are found to have violated their ethical and legal responsibilities, and restoring the trust of the American people.”
“It’s about time they’re doing a review of this whole mess,” he added.
Matt Miller, a spokesperson for the department during Holder’s time there, vehemently disagreed. He said the news is evidence that Trump is undermining the independence of the Justice Department.
“The president’s ongoing campaign to tear down the wall between the Justice Department and the White House seems to be working,” he said.
“If the White House asks you to look into it, the answer is not to look into it for the sake of looking into it,” he continued. “The answer is to tell the White House to stay out of investigations and prosecutions, especially when it comes to your political opponents. You’re just encouraging a bully. If you encourage him to do that, he’ll just keep bullying you.”
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Well it's been four days and this administration is on a great roll fucking this country up even more.

Sessions to have a hard on for legal weed.

Offshore drilling, let's just fuck Florida up as long as Margo Largo is okay.

Ridiculous claims that will just start shit.

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The weed thing is bullshit, and clearly something the minority of ALL voters care about.

The rest has been great.
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At some point the federal government will be forced to address the marijuana issue. I'm actually a little surprised (and disappointed) that Obama didn't do more..
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At some point the federal government will be forced to address the marijuana issue. I'm actually a little surprised (and disappointed) that Obama didn't do more..

I say let the potheads have it.


But I also think that health insurance premiums should be a reflection of the risk factors you choose to participate in.

Wanna smoke cigarettes, higher premiums.

Wanna drink excessively, overeat to the point that you become obese, or smoke the devil’s lettuce, that should cost you as well.
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I say let the potheads have it.


But I also think that health insurance premiums should be a reflection of the risk factors you choose to participate in.

Wanna smoke cigarettes, higher premiums.

Wanna drink excessively, overeat to the point that you become obese, or smoke the devil’s lettuce, that should cost you as well.
What about folks who eat the devil's lettuce?
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I say let the potheads have it.


But I also think that health insurance premiums should be a reflection of the risk factors you choose to participate in.

Wanna smoke cigarettes, higher premiums.

Wanna drink excessively, overeat to the point that you become obese, or smoke the devil’s lettuce, that should cost you as well.
I wouldn't disagree so long as the health risks/effects are known. Unlike tobacco, with marijuana you aren't consuming a pack of joints a day...and probably not even smoking daily...so I don't think it's akin to tobacco use health risks....but none of it is really known yet.

We also don't have to smoke to consume.
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Ive always heard its something black guys dont do.
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The weed thing is bullshit, and clearly something the minority of ALL voters care about.

The rest has been great.
dismantling ACA, Net Neutrality, weed, the tax bill.... all opposed by a majority.

What other things has Trump even accomplished? All his big accomplishments were against public opinion
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What other things has Trump even accomplished? All his big accomplishments were against public opinion

All of his big accomplishments were bought and paid for....
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What other things has Trump even accomplished? All his big accomplishments were against public opinion


Leadership isn’t about being popular.


It’s about making great decisions that help the people, and he’s doing just that. And he won the election. This is exactly what the people that voted for him want.

The good news is that it’s cold out so you and the rest of the SF won’t melt.
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Nah.

I'm against NN, but that wasn't the POTUS that ended it. The marijuana is BS, however, it's still a federal law. And it's still up to local law enforcement to enforce it. Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legalized at a federal level and taxes heavily.

I'm for the rest.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's the majority opinion. Plenty of folks screamed the Donald had no shot to be POTUS. Then it was no way he can end ACA. Then it was the travel ban. Then it was the tax bill.
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I'm against NN, but that wasn't the POTUS that ended it.
it was the person that he specifically appointed who was very obviously going to do it given his past work history and public statements. and the President didn't lift a finger to stop it or influence the decision. you may not like it but this was a decision approved of (explicitly or tacitly) by Trump. if he's a big enough dope to think that he can do anything he wants at the Justice Dept, he definitely thinks he can do the same thing with the FCC.
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couple of things:
1. the majority opinion is determined by polling. and all available polling says that the majority of people were against those decisions. that's just factual. its undeterred by your willful ignorance in service of Trump.

2. he didn't end the ACA. its still very much a thing that exists in the world and is a valid law. he's taken numerous steps to undermine it, make it worse and to hurt Americans trying to use it but he definitely didn't end it.
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it was the person that he specifically appointed who was very obviously going to do it given his past work history and public statements. and the President didn't lift a finger to stop it or influence the decision. you may not like it but this was a decision approved of (explicitly or tacitly) by Trump. if he's a big enough dope to think that he can do anything he wants at the Justice Dept, he definitely thinks he can do the same thing with the FCC.

couple of things:
1. the majority opinion is determined by polling. and all available polling says that the majority of people were against those decisions. that's just factual. its undeterred by your willful ignorance in service of Trump.

2. he didn't end the ACA. its still very much a thing that exists in the world and is a valid law. he's taken numerous steps to undermine it, make it worse and to hurt Americans trying to use it but he definitely didn't end it.


Are them there polls the same ones that said he couldn’t win the presidency?
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You know they are.
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it was the person that he specifically appointed who was very obviously going to do it given his past work history and public statements. and the President didn't lift a finger to stop it or influence the decision. you may not like it but this was a decision approved of (explicitly or tacitly) by Trump. if he's a big enough dope to think that he can do anything he wants at the Justice Dept, he definitely thinks he can do the same thing with the FCC.

couple of things:
1. the majority opinion is determined by polling. and all available polling says that the majority of people were against those decisions. that's just factual. its undeterred by your willful ignorance in service of Trump.

2. he didn't end the ACA. its still very much a thing that exists in the world and is a valid law. he's taken numerous steps to undermine it, make it worse and to hurt Americans trying to use it but he definitely didn't end it.
Does the majority opinion always mean it's the right one?
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1. I'd love a marijuana opponent to explain to me what their perceived dangers of marijuana are.

2. I'd love a marijuana opponent to also explain to me why marijuana (a schedule 1 drug) is more dangerous than cocaine (a schedule 2 drug).
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1. I'd love a marijuana opponent to explain to me what their perceived dangers of marijuana are.

2. I'd love a marijuana opponent to also explain to me why marijuana (a schedule 1 drug) is more dangerous than cocaine (a schedule 2 drug).
Booze is the only drug a person can actually die from withdrawal. How bout that?

We sure brought that back again, didn't we?
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What other things has Trump even accomplished?
Just the stock market breaking new levels every month, decreasing unemployment, lower taxes for most of us who pay taxes, bonuses for a lot of people in major corporations.

This is all just the first year, can't wait to see what he gets done in year, 2, 3 & 4.

I want to see all the corruption from the previous admin exposed. It's starting to happen.
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Just the stock market breaking new levels every month, decreasing unemployment, lower taxes for most of us who pay taxes, bonuses for a lot of people in major corporations.

This is all just the first year, can't wait to see what he gets done in year, 2, 3 & 4.

I want to see all the corruption from the previous admin exposed. It's starting to happen.
But the stock market has been on an upward trend since Obama. In fact it trended upward for 92 mos of his administration. So how is Trump's 12 months gives him credit for that exactly?
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1. I'd love a marijuana opponent to explain to me what their perceived dangers of marijuana are.

2. I'd love a marijuana opponent to also explain to me why marijuana (a schedule 1 drug) is more dangerous than cocaine (a schedule 2 drug).
I'm not an opponent, but here's my view...

There has been a huge effort to kill off cigarette smoking

The majority of people smoke marijuana vs. edibles

They're not going to undermine all the health campaign work they've done to stop smoking by legalizing something that is most commonly smoked (and would probably create new smokers that hadn't smoked cigarettes or weed prior)

The state laws that allowed medicinal use via consumables, drops, non-smoking didn't undermine that goal so there wasn't much pushback against them

Now it's too hard to draw the line on shops selling product intended to consume vs. smoke so they just let the states regulate it but aren't taking the leash off entirely
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