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'Venom' Director Explains Eddie's Choice in Snack Food



Between new villains and the mechanics of a symbiote, there's quite a lot that Venom leaves ambiguous -- but it looks like one food referenced in the film isn't one of them.
Mild spoilers for Venom below!

In a recent interview with SYFY, Venom director Ruben Fleischer was asked about the film's love of tater tots, which Eddie Brock/Venom (Tom Hardy) can be seen eating throughout the film. As it turns out, the tater tots were meant to show the different palettes that Eddie and Venom have, as well as just being for the sake of comedy.


"There was no deal with Ore-Ida, it just was in the script originally." Fleischer revealed. "It was always kind of a funny thing that the writers came up with, that he loves tater tots. We actually had to pare it down a little bit. There was a scene that we shot that didn't make it in the film, where he's at the grocery store buying and the Venom tendrils come out and grab a bunch of tater tots.


Of course, this isn't the only (non-human) food that Venom can be seen consuming in the film, with live lobsters, chocolate, and leftover chicken also being part of the plot. Still, fans have seemed to take quite a liking to the tater tot joke.


"It was definitely a funny runner but we also wanted to make sure it was clear that he was carnivorous and he wants live things to eat." Fleischer added. "And then at the end, they put in the thing about chocolate. Just as a nod to the comics where he finds chocolate as a replacement for adrenal glands. He's a bit of an omnivore but the tater tots are a funny runner."


In the days since Venom has made its debut, the critical and fan reception has been all over the map, with some arguing that the film's tone juggles between quite a few extremes. Still, it seems like those behind the filmtried to honor the character -- tater tots and all.


"I'm a huge fan of comic book movies so I just tried to pick a lane that was true to the character," Fleischer told ComicBook.com in a previous interview. "I think inherent to the character, he's just darker, and we talked about more violent. It's just tonally different from everything else, especially when you're focusing on just Venom."
"He's not a sunshine kind of guy." Fleischer continued. "So, it takes place at night. It's darker. More menacing. I think that within the spectrum of all these movies, there's the DC super dark, Zack Snyder type version and then there's the Marvel movies and I like to think that we're in our own zone apart from that."


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VENOM 2: Eddie Brock's Notebook Reveals New Details About Cletus Kasady's Murderous Past







At the New York Comic-Con this weekend, Marvel displayed Eddie Brock's notebook featuring details about a character comic book fans will be all too familiar with: Cletus Kasady, a.k.a. Carnage...


In Venom's mid-credits scene [SPOILER WARNING], Eddie Brock pays a visit to serial killer Cletus Kasady. The intrepid journalist has been promised an interview with him but Cletus quickly makes it clear that he plans on escaping and causing "carnage." At the New York Comic-Con this weekend, Sony put Eddie's notebook on display and it sheds some light on what happened in Carnage's past.

As you can see below, he was responsible for a massacre in New York City, pushed a woman who wouldn't go on a date with him in front of a bus, and tortured his mother's dog with a drill when he was a child. Oh, and he also dug his mother's body up, perhaps because he was attracted to her when she was alive. Clearly, he a total psychopath and that will make his Carnage transformation fun.

Are you guys excited to see Carnage in the Venom sequel? Let us know your thoughts below.

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Venom 2 Will Not Be Rated-R Either, According to Avi Arad



Warning: This post contains SPOILERS for Venom



 


Sony is already thinking about Venom 2 and they won't make the jump to an R-rating. After bringing Spider-Man into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Sony once again wanted to get a shared universe of their own. Tom Hardy was cast to lead Venom as Eddie Brock, and the early box office results - a record setting $80 million opening in October - indicate that this will hardly be the last Spidey-related property the studio makes. Next up is going to be Jared Leto's Morbius, but attention is turning towards what seems to be an inevitable sequel.

Based on the post-credits scene for Venom, it's quite clear where they want to take the character next. Eddie visits the prison cell of Cletus Kasady (Woody Harrelson), who ends the movie saying, "When I get out, and I will, there will be carnage." An appearance by Carnage was heavily rumored for Venom and, with the violent symbiote set to be the villain of a sequel, many fans wanted to see Venom and Carnage let loose with an R-rating, but that isn't happening.
Related: How Venom Sets Up A (Much Better) Sequel
Collider spoke to Venom producer Avi Arad about the chances for Venom 2 to move up the MPAA's rating scale. After all, the first Venom was reportedly envisioned as an R-rated movie, but was PG-13 when everything was all said and done. Despite Carnage joining the mix, Arad doesn't believe he can only be done right with an R-rating.
"When you hear Carnage, the only thing you can think of is R. But, if you know his story, if you really know the comic, there’s no R here. He’s a tortured soul. It’s not about what he does, because we never have to show the knife going from here to there, and the blood is pouring. What you have to show is, what is the motivation? Was he born like that, or [is he] someone we should feel for, because if you succeeding in making a villain someone you can feel for, jackpot."



As disappointed as some fans may be that Venom 2 won't jump to an R-rating, one can hardly blame Sony for sticking with a PG-13 vision. The first movie just broke box office records with a PG-13 rating even with largely negative reviews from critics. If a sequel is better executed and has more positive reactions, there's no reason to believe Venom 2 won't perform even better if Carnage is included. Sony found success with PG-13, so why would they switch to R and potentially shrink their audience?

Of course, this may still not sit well with many. But, Arad believes they'll be able to craft the right story around Carnage that won't mandate extreme violence or anything else that would warrant an R-rating. This will, obviously, put a ton of pressure on the writers of Venom 2 to do this, so that way they can make a complicated foe in Carnage, and then leave it up to director Ruben Fleischer (who will likely return for the sequel) to deliver on the action. Hopefully, Arad is proven to be true and Venom 2 does the story and characters justice in a PG-13 environment.
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Venom’s Biggest Unanswered Questions





In addition to breaking records at the box office, Venom left behind some big unanswered questions. Despite critics' brutal reviews of Sony's spinoff about one of Spider-Man's most popular villains, citing that the film is more akin to a superhero film made 15 years ago, many fans had a blast watching the titular symbiote bond with reporter Eddie Brock (Tom Hardy) and cause chaos all over San Francisco. While it's true that Venom is a bit of a mess, it's also a lot of fun to watch.

Director Ruben Fleischer's film draws many influences from Marvel Comics, specifically the "Lethal Protector" storyline, and it also has an eye on becoming a proper franchise by setting up Venom's adversary for the sequel. Venom not only introduces Eddie Brock and Venom (who is also voiced by Tom Hardy), but it also suitably sets up Eddie's supporting cast and villains. This includes other alien symbiotes brought to Earth by billionaire Carlton Drake (Riz Ahmed), who becomes bonded to the Big Bad symbiote called Riot. Venom and Eddie eventually have to foil Riot and Drake's attempt to bring even more symbiotes to Earth so they can invade and conquer the human race.

Venom does explain the mechanics of how symbiotes bonding with humans works and its deadly after-effects, but the movie nevertheless generates some strange plot holes and inconsistencies. A number of aspects in the film don't quite add up or make sense, especially for moviegoers not fully versed in the Marvel source material. The answers to some of the questions Venom poses can be found in the comics, but let's look at the confusing questions the movie created.

WHY DOESN'T CARLTON DRAKE FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE INSTEAD OF LOOK FOR ALIENS?

In Venom, the Earth is in danger of becoming uninhabitable for humans thanks to climate change, reflecting urgent issues in the real world. Carlton Drake is well-aware of the crisis facing the planet and he even estimates that the Earth is only one generation away from becoming inhospitable for humans. But Drake also seems to hate humans for wrecking the environment. Nevertheless, Drake's solution is to launch spaceships into space. One encountered a comet containing symbiotes and they ended up bringing four of the aliens to Earth.

Now, Drake didn't know symbiotes existed, but once he acquired them, he planned to bond humans to the symbiotes so that as hybrids, both species can survive the impending environmental catastrophe. This plan is... not great; it begins with Drake needing to kidnap homeless people in San Francisco for lethal experiments of bonding the symbiotes to humans. Ultimately, Drake and Riot opt for a full-on invasion of Earth by symbiotes.

Much like Shane Black's The Predator, the climate change crisis is merely the backdrop to bring alien invaders to Earth to battle gun-toting humans. Neither film is particularly interested in addressing climate change or offering any solutions to the crisis within the context of their movie universes. In Venom, a man with Drake's resources could likely make real progress in dealing with this important issue, but instead, he preferred to be a supervillain.

WHY WAS CARLTON DRAKE NEWS BUT THE SPACESHIP CRASH WASN'T?

As a prominent TV reporter in San Francisco, Eddie Brock is assigned to do a profile on Carlton Drake. He is essentially asked to do a puff piece on the billionaire, but Brock suspects a man like Drake has to be hiding more than he lets on. By snooping in his lawyer fiancee Anne Weying's (Michelle Williams) email, he finds legal documents suggesting Drake has been subjecting people to experiments against their will. Eddie goes to the Life Foundation with a plan to ambush and expose Drake, but it backfires and it's Eddie who loses both his career and his relationship.

However, Eddie's interview happens after a Life Foundation spaceship crashed in Malaysia, which is the incident that kicks off the film. A space shuttle crash is big news but neither Eddie nor his news organization seemed particularly interested in reporting about it. Granted, the whole thing was supposed to be a puff piece to make Drake look good to help cover up the crash, but if Eddie was going to go off-script to expose Drake and the Life Foundation, the crash seems like a good starting point, especially because it doesn't rely on confidential information.

WHAT KIND OF COMPANY IS THE LIFE FOUNDATION, ANYWAY?

It's also not really clear what kind of a company the Life Foundation is. They're obviously well-funded with a huge laboratory and headquarters in San Francisco Bay. They also employ an army of heavily-armed security personnel who spend much of the movie trying to hunt down Venom and getting slaughtered. But what are their corporate goals? When Dr. Dora Skirth (Jenny Slate), one of Carlton Drake's top scientists, clued Eddie Brock in on the Life Foundation's secret human/symbiote experiments, she said they were originally trying to cure cancer. This means the Life Foundation is a pharmaceutical research company of some sort - but one that also has a space program and owns an independent fleet of spaceships, complete with their own launch pad adjacent to their HQ in San Francisco Bay!

The Life Foundation of the comics was a bit simpler; it was a cabal of evil, wealthy people who planned their own Utopian society and created symbiotes spawned from Venom to protect it. In Venom, the Life Foundation, like Oscorp in the Spider-Man movies, just seems to be some sort of evil catch-all multinational corporation that has the resources for whatever the plot requires.


RIOT AND VENOM WERE THE SYMBIOTES' NAMES BEFORE THEY CAME TO EARTH?

After he bonds with Eddie Brock, who originally believed he was infected with a parasite, Venom revealed himself to his human host by introducing himself as "Venom." Later, when explaining more about his background and the origins of the symbiotes, Venom told Brock that he was part of a team and that the symbiote team leader was named "Riot". This means "Venom" and "Riot" were the symbiotes names before they came to Earth, bonded with humans, and learned the English language!

However, there is a possible explanation for this: among the symbiotes' powers are telepathic abilities and extra-sensory perception. For example, Venom exhibits a version of Spider-Man's Spider-Sense where he's aware of danger and informs Eddie before it happens. Once they bond with humans, the symbiotes can read their minds and learn everything about them, including learn languages. So the most likely scenario is that "Venom" and "Riot" are the English translations of their alien names. But the way it plays in the movie, it simply comes off as strange that the symbiotes already have names that sound suspiciously like comic book supervillain codenames.

HOW DID RIOT KNOW TO GO TO SAN FRANCISCO?

After their shuttle crashed in Malaysia, the Life Foundation recovered three symbiotes and brought them back to Carlton Drake. The fourth symbiote, Riot, infected and murdered several people across Malaysia until he boarded an airplane and flew to San Francisco. Never mind the trail of bodies Riot left behind, but how did Riot know to go to San Francisco specifically to find Carlton Drake? At what point did Riot ultimately plan to bond with Drake and then use Drake's ship to go into space to bring back more symbiotes?

The answer to Riot's awareness of his surroundings and goals have to lie in who the symbiote possessed en route. Most of the people Riot took over and eventually killed were just common people he encountered in Malaysia, but tracing his body-snatching back to its original source, Riot initially possessed the spaceship's pilot, John Jameson. It must have been through reading Jameson's mind that Riot learned about Drake, the Life Foundation, and that they are based in San Francisco. Riot then methodically made his way across the world to find the billionaire. Riot also somehow didn't murder people on the airplanes he was riding on while possessing the body of a little girl. Riot also stayed in that girl's body upon landing in SF and making it all the way to confronting Drake inside the Life Foundation.


WHY WAS ANNE FINE AFTER BONDING WITH VENOM?

Venom does get gruesome in depicting the effects of a symbiote bonding with a human. The symbiote needs to feed so it attacks the human's organs unless the human can supply it with raw meat (later, Venom is able to substitute tater tots and chocolate to control his desire for human flesh). The moments of an out-of-control Eddie gorging himself on old chicken from a trash bin and sitting in a restaurant lobster tank eating live lobsters are some of the most memorably hilarious in the film.

After Eddie has separated from Venom thanks to his "Kryptonite," sonic attacks, Brock is captured by the Life Foundation. Venom then bonds with Anne Weying and together they go rescue Eddie as She-Venom. Yet despite everyone fans saw suffering grotesquely from being bonded with a symbiote, including Eddie himself, Anne seemed perfectly fine and showed no after-effects from her time possessed by Venom. The symbiote didn't attack her organs or end up killing her. Maybe en route to saving Eddie, Anne was able to feed Venom to keep him satisfied while they were together. Or maybe, Venom didn't brutalize his temporary host because admitted he "likes" Anne.

HOW CAN EDDIE BROCK HAVE A SECRET IDENTITY?

Eddie and Venom formed a pact at the end of the film: they'd stay together as a team but Venom can't kill humans (unless they're really bad people). This means occasional murder will be part of their method of operation as "lethal protector" of San Francisco. But how can Eddie maintain a secret identity at all?

All throughout Venom, Eddie was seen in public leading car chases and morphing into Venom in full view of people - who all have smartphones and must have recorded the spectacle of a monster on the city streets. Eddie was also spotted by his security guard friend trying to break into their TV news building. Not to mention that Venom left a pile of dead bodies in Eddie's apartment when the Life Foundation attacked them - with Eddie's musician next door neighbor as a witness to the carnage. This is all compounded by the fact that Eddie was already a locally famous news personality even before he became part-monster. Not only should it be impossible for Eddie/Venom to maintain a secret identity, but Brock should also be in jail, not back working as a reporter as if nothing ever happened.

IS VENOM PART OF THE MCU OR SPIDER-VERSE, AFTER ALL?

The big question for the Venom franchise is whether it will be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Venom is very much a standalone movie that sets up its own sequels in the mid-credits scene, which introduces Cletus Kasady (Woody Harrelson), who will become infected with a symbiote and become Carnage. However, Venom was also careful not to contradict anything in the MCU, keeping the possibility open that the film could be folded into the MCU at some point in the future. If that were to eventually become the case, it's possible Venom could share the city with the San Francisco-based Ant-Man and the events of the film may have happened before Thanos' finger snap.
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While there is no mention of Spider-Man in Venom (despite pre-release rumors of a Tom Holland cameo), the film does include John Jameson, who is the son of J. Jonah Jameson. It also mentions the Daily Globe, which is a reference to the New York newspaper Eddie Brock once worked for in the comics. Neither J. Jonah Jameson nor the Daily Globe have been mentioned in the MCU but Jameson is in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. Astronaut John Jameson (Daniel Gillies) was J. Jonah Jameson's (J.K. Simmons) son and the boyfriend of Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) in Spider-Man 2. While it's very unlikely Venom is set in the universe of Sam Raimi's trilogy, it currently has more ties to those films than it does to the MCU.
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Venom: 25 Crazy Fan Redesigns Better Than The Movies





Venom opened last Thursday to lukewarm reviews, with critics citing the movie’s lack of logic and weak character development, leading to an approval rating of 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. However, fans have been disagreeing with the critics, and the movie has broken the October opening weekend record by more than $20 million as a result.

The movie’s popularity is hardly a surprise, though. The symbiote has had a large following ever since its introduction as Spider-Man’s enemy in the Marvel comics back in 1984. Eddie Brock made his cinematic debut back in 2007 in Spider-Man 3 and the Venom symbiote made a cameo appearance in the trailer for The Amazing Spider-Man 2. But this standalone film in Sony’s Universe of Marvel Characters marks the villain’s biggest mainstream break yet.

The Venom symbiote’s first host in the Marvel universe is Spider-Man, and is initially a sentient alien costume, but it is perhaps best known for its association with Eddie Brock. The symbiote and its offspring have also taken over plenty other psyches and bodies throughout the comics, boosting the aliens’ popularity even further. Before you read the article, keep in mind that there are spoilers for the new Venom movie as well as some for the comics. There are also spoilers for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, particularly for Avengers: Infinity War, and other related comic books. After all, Venom is closely associated with Spider-Man, so we’d be remiss not to talk about our favorite web-slinging hero.Without further ado, here are 25 Crazy Fan Redesigns Better Than Venom.

25 VENOM VS SPIDER-MAN

Venom is perhaps best known in conjunction with Spider-Man, but sadly neither Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, nor Tobey Maguire are in the new movie. However, Jebedai Couture has inked some astonishing works featuring a Venom-Spidey showdown. The tension is especially apparent thanks to the high level of detail in Spider-Man’s face, even with the mask on. He looks a bit beaten up, so let’s hope that Spidey ends up okay.

Unfortunately, we can’t find the original post because the account is deactivated, but the artist has plenty of other amazing art included in his portfolio.

24 COLLEGE VENOM


Tom Hardy has reached his forties now, and his portrayal of Eddie Brock is a grown man as a result, much like the original comics.

What would Venom be like if Eddie were a young adult?
In mangamie’s “Marvel College” project, various Marvel characters are now college students. Now instead of an investigative journalist, Eddie seems more like the English major who pens incendiary op-eds in the school paper and constantly documents everything with an edgily souped-up vintage camera. It could also make the dynamic between Venom and Spider-Man all the more interesting if they’re closer in age.

23 VENOM BLACK PANTHER

Thanks to the 2018 movie of the same name, the iconic Black Panther has seen another surge in popularity. T’Challa was even a veritable scene-stealer when he made his Marvel Cinematic Universe debut in Captain America: Civil War.

Sadly, he’s one of the folks disintegrated by Thanos in Infinity War. Perhaps he’ll make a comeback with a symbiote, like in this drawing by junkome. Sure, the chances of that actually happening are slim to none, but combining an alien symbiote with the powers of the heart-shaped herb is an awe-inspiring and fear-inducing concept to toy with nonetheless.

22 SHE-VENOM

If you didn’t know already, Anne Weying becomes She-Venom when the symbiote bonds with her in the comics. She-Venom does make a brief appearance in the Venom movie before Anne transfers the symbiote back to Eddie, but she deserves even more screen time, like in this piece by Chronorin.

It’d be interesting to explore Anne and Eddie’s differing experiences with the symbiote.

She does meet an unfortunate end due to the trauma of having bonded with the symbiote, so let’s hope she gets a happier ending on the big screen.

21 VENOM TRANSFORMATION

The internet freaked out over the character designs when the first trailer dropped, especially over Eddie’s transformation into Venom. The process goes by pretty quickly, but this piece by Royy_Ledger gives us a glimpse of what Eddie looks like just as the symbiote is about to take over.

In the movie, it kind of seems like Eddie’s just being covered up by a sentient suit, but in this drawing, you can see his body beginning to meld with the symbiote, with his skin giving away to alien tissue. The eyes are the cherry on top of this creepy sundae.

20 VENOM WITH THE INFINITY GAUNTLET


Clayton Crain is a professional comic book artist who has worked on Marvel projects, but this painting is too good to pass up. As if Venom weren’t powerful enough, Crain has drawn the creature with the Infinity Gauntlet, ready to obliterate half of the lives in the universe with just a snap of its fingers.

Let’s just be glad that the symbiote isn’t bonded with Thanos while in possession of the Gauntlet.

Venom is usually associated with dark, grim colors, but the multicolored lights of the Infinity Stones enhance rather than undercut the symbiote’s authority.

19 VENOM SUPERMAN

The Venom symbiote has been in several alternate Marvel universes, so who’s to say it can’t cross over to DC? Charddskinnylee imagines an alternate universe in which the symbiote has bonded with Superman.

The Kryptonian superhero is next to invincible and has a super strong moral compass, so in order for the symbiote to take over, it would really need to dig deep for Superman’s darkest traits. Or perhaps this is an alternate timeline in which Superman willingly gives up control, giving into his most sinister impulses and teaming up with the symbiote.
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18 VENOM GHOST RIDER

The 2007 Ghost Rider movie and its 2011 sequel—both starring Nicolas Cage as the titular superhero—aren’t what you’d call the best in the genre. That said, now that the film rights to Ghost Rider have been reverted to Marvel Studios, maybe Johnny Blaze will get another chance to shine.

Johnny doesn’t get completely lost when transforming into Ghost Rider, so maybe he’ll be able to fight off the symbiote.

Mephisto bonds Johnny with the demon Zarathos since he fails to get Johnny’s soul, which makes for an interesting dynamic if Johnny ever bonds with the Venom symbiote, like in this piece by junkome.

17 FEMALE VENOM

She-Venom already exists in canon as the result of Anne Weying bonding with the Venom symbiote, but this work by alecyl imagines a world in which the symbiote bonds with a woman from the get-go, instead of with Eddie Brock.
Having the symbiote bond with a woman would put a female character at the forefront in a genre dominated by men. Perhaps Dora Skirth actually survives being exposed to a symbiote, and comes back as a possible ally for Venom’s next adventure, strongly hinted in the post-credits scene as a clash with Carnage.

16 TOM VS TOM


Tom Holland’s take on Spider-Man in the MCU has delighted fans and critics alike, so it’s no surprise that folks like raichu.copper would want Venom to face off with a revamped Spidey. The details in this piece are stunning, complete with passersby in the background taking horizontal videos of the altercation.

The physical difference between the two huge, making us worry about Spidey’s safety.

Plus, Peter isn’t exactly feeling well after the events of Infinity War, so he’s not really in the best position to fight Venom at the moment.

15 VENOM SPIDER-GWEN

Gwen Stacy’s unfortunate passing has long been a point of contention among fans of both the comics and of Marc Webb’s series. In an alternate universe, the radioactive spider bites Gwen instead of Peter Parker, leading her to become Spider-Gwen.

She-Venom-1 has created a piece that merges Spider-Gwen with the Venom symbiote, and she looks positively scary. She still has her iconic white hood, but everything about her has jarring angles now, and even her hands and feet are claws.

14 VENOM VS ANTI-VENOM

With the limited runtime of a movie, it’s obviously impossible to stuff a ton of characters from the original comics. Maybe Anti-Venom—another one of Venom’s “offspring”—could make a cameo at some point, resulting in a showdown like the one in this piece by thorup.
In the original story, Mac Gargan eventually becomes the new Venom and attacks Eddie.

However, the symbiote tries to reunite with Eddie, who ends up becoming Anti-Venom due to a new symbiote created by the remnants of Venom and the white blood cells in his body.

13 VENOM BATMAN

Another potential crossover with the DC Universe is Venom Batman, drawn here by Algiark.

Batman’s already a formidable force without any superpowers of his own, relying on intense training and advanced technology. Bonding with the symbiote would certainly make his enemies cower. Or he might actually join forces with his enemies with a symbiote feeding off of the darkest impulses in his heart. After all, Batman has had to bring himself back from the brink before. So let’s just hope that Superman would be there to prevent disaster by mentioning Martha again.

12 MAYDAY PARKER


Mayday Parker, aka Spider-Girl, has yet to make an appearance on the silver screen, but she’s been kicking villain butt in the comics. Even though she’s yet to appear in any movies, she’s been wildly popular with fans like Hunter407, who has created this mesmerizing piece of Venom Mayday in black and red.

Peter and Mary Jane were already super worried about May being Spider-Girl, trying to hide their past from her. They would most likely be devastated to hear that their daughter has bonded with one of Spider-Man’s most menacing enemies.

11 VENOM JOKER

Yet another frightening Marvel-DC crossover idea? Venom Joker, as drawn by Anny-D. Joker has already shown time and time again how little sympathy he has for others, a trait that makes him all the more menacing.

Adding the Venom symbiote to the mix would be an absolute nightmare.

Spider-Man and Batman would have to team up to fight two of their worst enemies. They might also want to brainstorm a game plan with their other superhero buddies. We’re hoping Venom Joker don’t get access to the Infinity Gauntlet.
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10 LASHER, RIOT, AND PHAGE

The symbiote Riot appears in the movie and bonds with Carlton Drake, the main antagonist, but there are plenty of other symbiotes that have yet to be featured. Two of those symbiotes include Lasher and Phage, drawn here by HellMivenaro.

In the comics, the Life Foundation tries to create super-cops, and bonds its best security guards with the seeds of Venom. These five symbiotes have relatively short-lived appearances. Given the changes made to Venom and Riot for the movie, maybe they can have even more significant roles in a potential sequel.

9 VENOM BATMAN VS SPIDER-MAN

As a highly imaginative addition to a Marvel-DC crossover, Talez01 pits Venom Batman against Spider-Man in a distressingly one-sided battle. Batman has shown that he can hold his own fighting crime both alone and with the Justice League, even though he has no superpowers. Spidey versus Batman would already be quite a sight to behold, but add in the Venom symbiote?

Things aren’t looking great for Peter Parker.

He’d better enlist the help of both the Avengers and the Justice League-- maybe even with a side of the Defenders for good luck.

8 MARVEL SYMBIOTES


If the Venom symbiote bonds with supervillains, the good guys are going to have to team up. But what if multiple good guys join forces with the symbiotes instead? ShadetheMystic gives us a look into a dark alternative reality in which Iron Man, the Hulk, Captain America, Daredevil and Wolverine have bonded with these aliens.
The most heart-wrenching new villain would have to be Cap, the moral center of the Avengers who has fought against every evil imaginable. And poor Bruce Banner—now he also has to grapple with a symbiote, too.

7 APRIL PARKER

Mayday Parker doesn’t bond with a symbiote in the comics, but she does have a clone named April Parker, drawn here by thelivingmachine02. The kicker?

April is a Symbiote Hybrid, which grants her the powers of both Spider-Girl and Venom.

Thankfully, April, aka Mayhem, is largely on the good guys’ side. She becomes a vigilante who, unlike other superheroes, was totally down to stop villains by any means necessary. She’s no longer alive in canon, but if she ever makes a cinematic appearance, hopefully she’ll stick with the good guys.

6 VENOM DEADPOOL

Deadpool is one of the most popular antiheroes in pop culture, so it’s no wonder that fans like Vinz El Tabanas have merged him with the Venom symbiote. Maybe Deadpool’s ability to break the fourth wall would make it easier for him to stay in control of the symbiote and hopefully keep his sense of humor.

Regardless of the ramifications, it’s good to see that at least Venom Deadpool still retains his fondness for Mexican food, although he might now be a little more tactless when trying to get a taco.

5 VENOM VS SPIDER-MAN

The Venom symbiote makes an appearance in Spider-Man 3, taking over Spider-Man’s suit, enhancing his powers and making Peter’s personality more sinister. In this fan-made poster by TheGlassEmperor, Spider-Man gets another shot at his symbiote story arc.

Since Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker is a grown man, it would be interesting to see the effects of an alien symbiote on the teenaged version played by Tom Holland.
He’s nerdy, chipper, and painfully earnest, approaching everything with wide-eyed curiosity. Maybe Peter will come back with the symbiote feeding off of the trauma caused by the events of Infinity War.

4 VENOM VS CARNAGE


If you stuck around for the credits of Venom, you would’ve seen the post-credits scene in which Eddie interviews Cletus Kasady, played by Woody Harrelson. It’s only a little snippet of footage, but Kasady eventually becomes Carnage, one of Venom’s most notable enemies in the comics.

Director Ruben Fleischer actually deliberately saved Carnage for a possible sequel in order not to steal the spotlight from Venom. With the movie’s stellar opening performance at the box office, fans might be able to see a showdown between the two characters, like this one by xericho with a Jurassic Park twist.

3 VENOM ROCKET RACCOON

The Avengers and even some DC characters have been included in this list, so of course the article wouldn’t be complete without showing some love to the Guardians of the Galaxy. Well, “love” is one way of describing merging the Venom symbiote with Rocket Raccoon.

Rocket Raccoon has been genetically modified, but he pretty much retains the physical appearance of a normal raccoon.

It wouldn’t be a surprise if he’d gotten bigger after bonding with the symbiote.

In this incredible piece by jumkome, however, he looks a lot more menacing, even a bit wolf-like.

2 VENOM VS SUPERMAN

In a less bleak timeline, however, fans like DanielDahl imagine Superman staying true to himself and the values instilled in him by Jonathan and Martha.

Superman blasts Venom, promptly obliterating him- for now.

The Superman symbol in the background does give off a slightly ominous tone, though. Maybe Superman did bond with the symbiote, and fights back after it goes to another host. The fight seems one-sided, but merging Venom with the old Kryptonian symbol for hope (according to Superman: Birthright) suggests that Superman might not be rid of the symbiote so easily after all.

1 VENOM YODA


Fandom has its ups and downs, but it’s definitely not lacking in the creative department. David Vercher has created a Venom version of Yoda that also incorporates elements of Darth Vader. Not only has Yoda bonded with a symbiote, he’s also turned to the dark side with his strong Force sensitivity.

If the Jedi Order wasn’t in trouble, it certainly is now.
If this were the alien being that Luke encountered on Dagobah, the young Jedi certainly would not have underestimated Yoda the way he did in Empire Strikes Back.
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Venom Erases Spider-Man To Avoid Marvel Mistakes






Venom may owe his origins to Spider-Man in the comic books, but in the movie version, Marvel's hold on Disney means no Spidey at all. But while some fans worried that removing Spider-Man from Venom's origin would be a problem, it actually makes for a way better story - and honestly, one much closer to Venom's current origin, too.
By now even casual fans will be familiar with the classic origin story for Venom, if not from the comics, then the fact that Spider-Man 3 adapted it almost to the letter. Spider-Man brings an alien suit back from space, which eventually shows an 'evil' mind of its own. Spider-Man rejects the symbiote until it finds the same level of hatred for Spidey in Eddie Brock. Man meets suit, and together they become Venom to launch their revenge on Spider-Man in a tale many claim the Venom movie SHOULD have told.
The problem with that version of a Venom origin movie? It's faithful to the original version of the comic books, sure. But it's a story that makes Spider-Man the real star of the show, plus... that's not what really happened, according to modern Marvel Comics.

VENOM SHOULD BE EDDIE'S STORY, NOT SPIDER-MAN'S

It's easy to see why there would be an outcry over the need to remove Spider-Man from Venom's origin movie. After all, the moviegoers who would know Venom's origin best are Spider-Man fans, and who would wish to see Spider-Man in the movie more? (Not to mention removing Spider-Man means no iconic Venom logo.)

But what fans want isn't always what's best, and in the case of Venom, the existing origin has one major problem: in the comics, it's told as one of Spider-Man's most formative stories, with Eddie Brock a victim of Peter, the symbiote, and professional failure. While a victim's story could be interesting, and has been used as a jumping-off point for other superhero origins... those heroes aren't Venom. Besides the fact that the Venom movie is trying to have some fun with Eddie and the symbiote's fusion, it's built on the idea that Eddie is a good man, ruined by evil forces - not a bitter, angry, jealous man fueled by hate of Spider-Man as he was in the comic.

One of those descriptions fits a movie hero... the other fits a villain unlikely to star in a fun, subversive, and oddball body horror adventure. The result is a better version of a Venom movie. "But," we're sure some die-hard Spider-Man fans will cry, "you're making Venom a different character!" And by twisting his origin to make Eddie and the symbiote a misunderstood antihero, the makers of Venom have done just that... but Marvel Comics did it first.

MARVEL HAS CHANGED VENOM'S ORIGIN ALREADY

Revisiting the comic book history of Eddie Brock and his time as Venom means traversing more than one major retcon, or retroactive changing of his origin story. Fictionally, it's an expansion and deepening of Eddie's story. But practically, like most other retcons, it's about 'fixing' past writing or plot that hinders the character's next step forward. And for Eddie Brock, the idea of him being a byproduct of Spider-Man has been minimized, downplayed, or altogether changed since he first set out to play a hero in Venom: Lethal Protector, upon which the movie is based.
People who walk out of Venom excited to read that comic book inspiration are in for a rude awakening, however, since Spider-Man is without question the WORST part of it. Because Peter Parker is misinformed about who Venom is, what motivates him, and who he has become as more than just the hero's villain. Arguably, every bit as misinformed as the people claiming the Venom movie 'got it wrong' by removing Spider-Man altogether.

As we see it, the makers of the Venom movie just learned from the missteps and corrections Marvel Comics has made so they wouldn't make them in the movie, too. The first step? Taking Spider-Man out of the equation to create the Venom modern comic readers know and love.


VENOM AVOIDS MARVEL'S OWN COMIC MISTAKES

In Venom's first solo comic outing, Spider-Man is an antagonist for completely flawed reasons. Despite Eddie being every bit the normal, evil-hating human he is in the comics, Spider-Man actively fights him, believing he's still as evil as Marvel made him in his origin story. In his defense, Spider-Man was just late to the party, unaware that Marvel editorial, and a long line of writers and artists were already beginning to make Eddie and Venom not evil, just... misunderstood.

The changes came one by one: the Venom symbiote wasn't hateful, but a traumatized member of an alien symbiote race, Eddie Brock's rough exterior becomes a result of a cold, distant, single father, and just weeks ago, the origin was changed once more by showing that Spider-Man was evil, not the symbiote when they first merged. It's flawed thinking to assume a movie should recreate each one of those steps, rather than looking at who Venom is today, and aiming for that from thee outset.

Still, one feels for director Ruben Fleischer for having to make that call, since he has admitted that removing Spider-Man from Venom was a challenge (that's the origin everyone knows). But the finished film shows it was the right path to take for one simple reason: the Venom of the movie is basically the one Marvel took decades to arrive at. Not just Eddie the relatable hero, but the symbiote's personality, voice, sense of humor, and even love for its host.

THE MOVIE VENOM IS THE TRUE COMIC VENOM

In fact, the moments of humor and love from the symbiote may turn off older fans of the origin hero, while hitting the bullseye for the modern incarnations. After all, Eddie and the symbiote had a baby not too long ago in the comics, and it's not hard to see a Venom movie sequel embracing that strange, borderline ludicrous plot. Leave the theater and go pick up the newest issue of Venom, and the version may not be perfect copies, but more importantly, the strengths of one are alive in the other.

And, perhaps most importantly, the existence of Spider-Man is a footnote, or back-up character at best. By now even Peter Parker understands that his time with the symbiote was a fluke, or coincidence, compared to the character Eddie and Venom became.

In Marvel's Universe, there may not be a greater romance than Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote - and when audiences line up for a great love story, you don't bother starting with the flings, one-night stands, or bad dates that came before.
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VENOM Director Ruben Fleischer Attempts To Address One Of The Movie's Biggest Plot Holes




Love it or hate it, there's no getting around the fact that Venom isn't a particularly well-written movie and now director Ruben Fleischer has been quizzed about one of the movie's biggest plot holes...


Venom is a movie full of a plot holes but one of the biggest has to be when it becomes clear that no time has passed for Riot since he bonded with that little old lady in Malaysia despite the fact that we get a six month time jump for Eddie Brock after he's fired. Being bonded with the same host for six months should have had a greater impact on the Symbiote so how does Ruben Fleischer explain that?
The simple answer is that he doesn't; instead, he actually laughs it off as being a "necessary" plot hole!

"Our idea was that Riot was using up the life force of whoever he took, and then he jumped ship when he'd consumed them and then find a new host to carry him further on his journey. That's a good question. That's one of our few - hopefully - few logic bumps. But we had to have a passage of time in order to show Eddie's downfall, and that was the one thing that doesn't entirely track."

That really doesn't seem like a satisfying explanation and the fact that the director was happy to release the movie with "logic bumps" and things that don't "entirely track" is mind-blowing.

Fleischer then went on to reveal what Riot was doing all those months he was attempting to find Carlton Drake. "But I like to think that old lady was going around murdering all throughout Malaysia, and she was just having a good old time just shooting shards through different people in Malaysia.
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Venom Does One Comic Thing So Much Better Than The MCU



Warning: Spoilers for Venom!

Venom may have received some brutal reviews from critics but it still does something much better than the Marvel Cinematic Universe: call characters by their superhero/supervillain codenames without being embarassed.

In Venom, the titular antihero bonds with reporter Eddie Brock (Tom Hardy). What's more, he introduces himself to his unwilling human host as "Venom." The toothy, carnivorous alien also explains that they have to stop the symbiote team leader named "Riot", who ends up bonding with billionaire Carlton Drake (Riz Ahmed). They plot to bring more alien parasites to conquer the Earth, but regardless of how it's strange that they both have names in English that sound just like comic book codenames, the symbiotes are very comfortable just being called "Riot" and "Venom."

Many fans wish the superheroes of the MCU would be as proud of their names as Venom is. The Avengers actively shy away from using their codenames and they rarely refer to each other by their "made-up names", as Spider-Man (Tom Holland) calls them. After all, in Avengers: Infinity War, Spider-Man introduced himself to Doctor Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) as "Peter" first. Meanwhile, Tony Stark (Robert Downey, Jr.) may revel in being Iron Man, but he's actually more famous as his billionaire-genius-playboy civilian identity. The moment at the end of Iron Man when Stark impulsively told the press "I am Iron Man!" likely opened the door for the MCU to play very fast and loose with the comic book staple of codenames.


In the MCU, characters tend to tiptoe around using their codenames, which can be annoying. Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) shies away from calling himself Captain America, leaving it to others to refer to him by that moniker. Others called out even having a codename: Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) bristled at being called Ant-Man and he even apologetically told Sam Wilson (Anthony Mackie) that the codename "wasn't my idea". Meanwhile, the MCU's Spider-Man apparently didn't even name himself; he became known as "the Spider-Man of YouTube" thanks to the videos of his heroic deeds people uploaded onto the Internet. James Rhodes (Don Cheadle) was called Iron Patriot in Iron Man 3, but he hasn't been referred to as War Machine properly since.

Still, there are Avengers who have not been referred to by their codenames at all. Fans know Wanda Maximoff (Elizabeth Olsen) as Scarlet Witch and Natasha Romanoff (Scarlett Johansson) as the Black Widow, but those codenames haven't been uttered on screen. Natasha being referred to as "Agent Romanoff" when she was part of S.H.I.E.L.D. was the closest she has come to using a codename, but maybe the Black Widow solo film will finally remedy this. Clint Barton (Jeremy Renner) is similarly never called Hawkeye, though he was winkingly referred to as "the Hawk" in Thor. And as for Sam Wilson, his winged flight pack had the designation EXO-7 Falcon, but the hero himself doesn't seem to be called the Falcon. Overall, the MCU heroes who have headlined their own movies use their codenames more, which could be part of the reason by Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Falcon have dodged being called by their comic book monikers.
Instead of fully embracing superhero names, the MCU tends to use them indirectly - like a drunken Stark challenging Rhodey by saying "You wanna be a War Machine?" in Iron Man 2 - or make offhand jokes about them. However, perhaps the biggest cause of codename rejection is that most MCU heroes avoid the secret identity trope, so they are much more free with just referring to each other by their real names. Even Spider-Man, who protects his real identity from the general public, has been more open about other superheroes knowing who he is, which is a big break from the comics.

Simply embracing the absurdity of the comics, right down the unexplained comic book names, is just another example of what makes Venom refreshing for fans. However, in the post-credits scene Cletus Kasady (Woody Harrelson) drops a coy wink to his red symbiote's name, saying "There's gonna be carnage!" So maybe Venom does belong in the MCU after all.
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Venom 2 Can Add His Logo WITHOUT Spider-Man



Sony's Venom movie brought the symbiote superhero to life, but without his iconic chest logo. The filmmakers had a good reason for leaving Venom's white spider insignia out, but in Venom 2, the door is finally open to create the exact Venom seen in Marvel Comics - and do it without Spider-Man.

For some fans who know the original origin of the symbiote and Eddie Brock, that might seem downright impossible without completely rewriting the comic source material. We would argue that's not necessarily a reason NOT to change comic history, since Venom ignoring Spider-Man in the movie actually gave fans a better adaptation of who Venom is today. Could the same hold true here? We won't know until Venom 2. But there's one thing we do know:

Venom did NOT get his logo from Spider-Man. And trust us, the true origin of the Venom logo isn't just better... it has all the makings of a Venom movie trilogy like no other.



The Myth: Venom's Logo is Just Spider-Man's


For most casual (or simply not current) comic book fans, the origin of the symbiote's insignia comes from Spider-Man along with the suit itself. Spider-Man found the black ooze-suit during the Secret Wars event, it covered him and synced with his mind to create his new Spider-Man comic uniform, until he learned it was a living "parasite" trying to permanently bond with him. Marvel would eventually clarify this story to confirm that Spider-Man was wrong, not the symbiote, meaning Eddie Brock was a better fit for "Venom" all around.
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In that first version of the story, Eddie simply wore the same suit worn by Peter Parker, just with more muscles and a monstrous mouth. Fans knew long before the Venom movie was released that Spider-Man wouldn't be included, simply having Eddie find the alien symbiote and cut out the friendly neighborhood middle man. As a result, logic dictated, Venom couldn't have that classic spider logo.

But that's only been true in the first version of Venom's origin. In recent years the symbiotes have had their history rewritten as part of a much larger, much more fantastic godly epic. Besides changing the origin of the symbiotes as a whole, it also made the Venom insignia something far more meaningful.

The Truth: Venom's Logo is an Ancient Symbol

It's understandable for fans of Spider-Man to bristle at the modern rewriting of symbiote history, since - like most retcons making Venom his own character - it paints Peter Parker as something of a galactic dunce. Where he was once the creator of his own great villain, the symbiote lore has turned his part in Venom's creation into a coincidence - a brief role akin to a small child finding the Holy Grail, drinking from it, then tossing it aside for a new champion to begin a great quest worthy of such a relic.

So yes, the filmmakers and fans are right to say that Venom's logo WAS similar to Spider-Man's. But the Venom comics have made that factually incorrect in recent years. Well, in recent year, to be exact. Because the latest Venom reboot finally unlocked the true origins of the symbiotes, as the creation of an Elder God billions of years in the past. An Elder God named Knull who created the symbiotes as a weapon. And an Elder God whose symbol is still pressed on Venom's chest.

So removing Spider-Man from Venom's movie origin doesn't have the slightest impact on his famous logo. But embracing the TRUE origin of the symbol Venom wears on his chest means a Venom movie villain that would blow Thanos out of the water - and make Carnage nothing but an appetizer...



Venom's Logo is Knull's, God of The Symbiotes

The current Venom reboot from Donny Cates and Ryan Stegman has changed the cosmic side of Marvel's comic history in some big ways, revealing the true origin of the symbiotes and their creator, one of the Elder Gods of the Marvel Universe. Before the Celestials set about shaping the universe, there was the Abyss - and it had one ruler, named Knull. To fight back the light Knull forged a blade out of his living, black Abyss to slay one such Celestial. This blade would become the first symbiote, with which Knull would conquer the universe built where his Abyss once rested.


This is the new history told to Eddie Brock just months ago in the pages of Venom #4, when an ancient symbiote dragon emerges from S.H.I.E.L.D. containment to terrorize New York. When Eddie challenges the creature, it parts to reveal the Host controlling it: Knull himself, in the form of a pale-faced man in a suit of symbiote armor... with the famous winged, horned Venom logo emblazoned on his chest. The only difference being the tail of said winged dragon.

The implications are confirmed as the story continues, showing the symbol to be the one chosen by Knull upon leaping into war with his first symbiote blade, All-Black the Necrosword in hand (the same weapon seen back in 2015's Thor: God of Thunder epic). And if the red color is making it hard to see Venom's logo as that of Knull, take a look at how he first appears in the full armor:
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So how could Knull, God of the Symbiotes be forgotten? When Knull's connection to the millions of symbiotes he created was cut - thanks to an ancient blast from Thor - they claimed new Hosts, and eventually rallied to imprison Knull. Their plans worked, and over millennia the symbiotes forgot (or at least Eddie's did, being so long removed from the symbiote Hive Mind). But when Knull reconnects Eddie's symbiote to his own power once again, a new insignia forms upon it in response, unlocking its full memories and new powers, including remembering the true purpose of the Venom logo's "stripes," which unfurl into demonic wings like Knull's.
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The symbiote's love for Eddie reunites them as Venom, of course. But for movie fans, the emergence of Knull shows a direct way of Venom's ancient insignia forming upon its chest - even if the symbiote itself isn't sure whose idea the logo really was. Now, if only there was some pivotal life moment, or key event in a symbiote's lifespan expected in Venom 2 that would connect Eddie's symbiote to the larger Hive Mind...

The Birth of Carnage Can Give Venom His Logo


As the Marvel fans certainly know, the Venom post-credits scene introducing Woody Harrelson is as direct a tease for Venom 2 as one could possibly have. Cletus Kasady, a.k.a. Carnage becomes a symbiote serial killer when Eddie unknowingly leaves behind a spawn of his own symbiote. The symbiote bonds with Cletus, and both sides of Venom are now responsible for bringing him down.

In the comics this surprise spawning began a new chapter of Venom's history, and fans will hope for the same on film. But most of those fans will probably hope Venom 2 makes a bigger deal of the symbiote spawning than the comics, as the idea of anything unknowingly giving birth is a little silly (the most recent time Eddie and the Venom symbiote gave birth was a larger affair). And since ignoring Spider-Man isn't a problem for giving Eddie his ancient logo in Venom 2, the symbiote reproducing seems as fitting a time as any to connect to the Hive Mind in preparation.

No need to complicate things further, or even explicitly detail the history, or existence of Knull in Venom 2. The comic fans will know what the logo means, whether it sports the dragon tail of Knull or a subconscious tweak by Eddie to the body of a parasite (nice callback). The fans who just want the logo returned will be just as pleased, and it will all be connected to Venom's true origin story - not the Spider-Man version we all believed was the truth.
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'Venom' Chinese Trailer Released




Sony Pictures has released the Chinese trailer for Venom. The film opens in the region on November 9th.
Venom has been in theaters for two weeks in North America. The film won its second weekend in a row with $35.7 million following a record-breaking $80 million opening weekend. Venom's domestic box office total will climb to $142 million domestic, making it the 12th-biggest movie of the year
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Venom is also the top number one film worldwide. Globally, Venom has earned $378.1 million, making it the 16th-biggest film of the year before opening in China.
Venom helped push Sony to a more than $1 billion box office total in 2018. Venom's success could be just the start to of big things for Sony. The film is meant to be the starting point for Sony's universe of films focused on Spider-Man supporting characters and villains such as Morbius, Black Cat, Silver Sable, and Nightwatch. The Morbius movie stars Jared Leto and is expected to begin filming in early 2019.

Venom is directed by Ruben Fleischer and was made with a $100 million budget. The film has received mostly negative reviews from critics, managing only a 30 percent Rotten Tomatoes score, but fans have been much more positive on the film, awarding it an 88 percent audience score.
Venom also set up a sequel with Venom's nemesis Carnage. While the studio is looking ahead, producer Avi Arad has said that the film might not be the R-rated take that fans expected.

"You know what? When you hear Venom…forget Venom. When you hear, Carnage, the only thing you can think of is R. But, if you know his story, if you really know the comic, there’s no R here." Avi Arad said in an interview. "He’s a tortured soul. It’s not about what he does, because we never have to show the knife going from here to there, and the blood is pouring. What you have to show is, what is the motivation? Was he born like that, or it’s someone we should feel for, because if you are succeeding to make a villain someone you can feel for, jackpot."
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Venom 2 Will Have To Change Carnage's Origin





The inevitable Venom 2 already faces a major challenge: Sony is going to have to make dramatic changes to Carnage's origin story. Sony has good reason to be delighted with Venom's performance. In its opening weekend, Venom grossed $80 million in the domestic box office and a total of $205 million worldwide, with an impressive second-week hold. Considering that the film had a budget of $100 million, it's already made a profit.

All this means Sony's Spider-Man villain universe has gotten off to a remarkably strong start, and a Venom sequel is inevitable. Star Tom Hardy has already revealed that he's signed up for three Venom movies, and he seems amenable to extending the contract too.


What makes Venom 2 so exciting is that its story has already been heavily teased. Going by Venom's post-credits scene, the tongue-slavering symbiote go head-to-head with one of his most popular foes, Carnage. However, fans who know the backstory of Cletus Kasady may have noticed Sony has a bit of a problem there...


CARNAGE IS VENOM 2'S VILLAIN

Venom's post-credits scene sees Eddie Brock pay a visit to San Quentin prison, the oldest and most infamous jail in California, to meet a convicted serial killer, Cletus Kasady, played by Woody Harrelson. Kasady has scrawled a message on the wall of his cell in his own blood, welcoming Eddie to San Quentin, and delivers an ominous warning that he's planning to escape - and that there will be "carnage." It's a fan-pleasing scene; in the comics, Kasady is ultimately exposed to the spawn of the Venom symbiote. The murderer's psychosis damages the symbiote, driving it equally insane, and he takes up the identity of "Carnage" - one of Marvel's most dangerous, bloodthirsty villains.

Sony put on an exhibit at New York Comic Con in support of Venom, and it included a notebook that reveals Carnage's cinematic backstory. It tells a chilling tale, of a bloodthirsty boy who seems to have been taken in by his grandmother after his parents passed away. The young Cletus killed her by pushing her down a flight of stairs, and was then placed in the care of St. Estes Home for Boys. Brock suspected the fire that burned the orphanage down was Kasady's revenge against a disciplinarian administrator. It looks as though Kasady's murderous impulses became more pronounced in his teenage years, and when one girl turned him down he shoved her in front of a bus. Kasady was incarcerated after going on what Brock called a "huge massacre" in New York City, but proved too dangerous to be held in Ryker's Penitentiary when he slaughtered 11 other people there. That's when he was moved to solitary confinement at San Quentin. It's unclear why Kasady has fixated on Brock, but that's an obsession Eddie should be deeply concerned about.

Venom director Ruben Fleischer has openly admitted Carnage was being saved for a sequel. The first film was about establishing Venom's world, with the post-credits scene demonstrating that there are legs for the franchise. At the same time, though, he's already set up the narrative to work in a slightly different way to the comics; in the comics, Eddie Brock was imprisoned at San Quentin in the cell next to Kasady, and when he broke out he unwittingly left the spawn of his symbiote behind. In the film, Brock (a good guy) merely visits Carnage's cell at San Quentin, and the post-credits scene doesn't hint that his symbiote spawned at all. Instead, it looks as though Kasady will break out and go hunting Brock down.

VENOM'S RIOT USED UP CARNAGE'S POWERS

But that's not the only problem facing Sony. In the Venom films, it looks as though every symbiote has a slightly different powerset. The Venom symbiote is considered something of a "loser" by its own people, and has very basic powers. But higher-ranking symbiotes are far more formidable, as demonstrated by "team leader" Riot's abilities. The Riot symbiote was able to form strands of its symbiotes into fearsome weapons; spears, swords, or - its favorite - axes. It could even launch fragments of itself as razor-sharp projectiles, killing all around it.

But here's the catch; in the comics, none of these tricks are typical of the Riot symbiote. Instead, they're characteristic of Carnage. Venom appears to have made Riot more of a threat by granting him Carnage's powerset. Worse still, the film clearly demonstrates that Riot's personality is very similar to Carnage's. Riot killed indiscriminately for no other reason than it liked the feeling of shedding blood, revelling in violence and bloodshed just like the comic Carnage symbiote.

This causes a lot of problems for Sony; how do you make Carnage truly feel like a unique new threat in Venom 2, when you've already used his typical powerset and even a rough version of his character attributes?


IS CARNAGE A CHILD OF VENOM?
The most obvious way Sony could rewrite Carnage's backstory for Venom 2 is to mesh the movie setup with the comics. Cletus Kasady breaks out of San Quentin and, true to his word, targets Eddie Brock. Based on that diary backstory, Kasady's goal won't just be to kill Brock; he'll want Eddie to lose everything first. That opens up the notion of Kasady first targeted the people Eddie cares about, ranging from friends to colleagues to his ex. Brock may be able to protect himself from Kasady, but will even Venom be able to keep everyone around him safe from the maniac's ire?

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Meanwhile, another sub-plot could see the Venom symbiote reproduce. Perhaps Venom hopes its spawn will bond with Anne Weying, as part of a wrong-headed desire to bring her back into Eddie's life. But the young symbiote wouldn't cross paths with Anne; instead, it would be found by Kasady. Young and vulnerable, the symbiote would be overwhelmed by Kasady's own homicidal nature, and thus Carnage would be born.

This is a simple concept, and it could make for quite a chilling film as Kasady and Brock play a dangerous game of cat-and-mouse even before Cletus truly becomes Carnage. Unfortunately, it doesn't really explain why the Carnage symbiote's powerset is so different to Venom's. That raises the second possibility.

IS CARNAGE ANOTHER TEAM LEADER?

But will Venom 2 go bolder? It's easy to forget that the symbiotes are still coming en masse. Venom revealed that the symbiote race had discovered life on Earth, with the comet stumbled upon by the Life Foundation was their idea of a spaceship. We don't know how long the symbiotes had been traveling before the Life Foundation picked up some samples - inadvertently granting the symbiotes an advance scouting party - but it's surely not the end of their mission.
Given that the movie Riot has Carnage's powers, it may be that Venom 2's Carnage will be another team leader: Kasady escapes from San Quentin and begins to hunt Eddie Brock before coming into contact with the more space-side of the universe. This brings two aspects of Venom - Eddie and the symbiote - together in the villain, and has enough story potential to perhaps build into a third film, possibly a Maximum Carnage-style event. It's a change-up from what's in the comics, but better fits the thrust of Sony's universe so far.

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These are the two main possibilities, both of which take some liberties with the comic book canon. The second idea fits best with Riot's powerset in Venom, and indeed turns Riot into a sort of precursor to Carnage. As such, that's probably the strongest theory, but only time will tell which route Sony choose to take with Carnage in Venom 2.
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