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Unread 2012-07-12, 02:41 PM   #1976
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Pretty much anyone that has anything done to them by people "online" b/c they fucked up say they had death threats against them.
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Unread 2012-07-12, 03:21 PM   #1977
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Hahaha fuck that guy!!!! this is great news!!! i
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Copyrighting the images and then suing anyone who uses them is a pretty good idea. That requires no legislature.
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Unread 2012-07-12, 03:47 PM   #1979
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Should we keep checking with http://jocosherriff.org for a newly posted picture of Creed?
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Ok, here is a way if you actually received a letter to help get Mr. Creed what he deserves.
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Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

Our agency has received a copy of the report you filed with the Internet Crime Complaint Center on 7/11/12.

We have received several complaints regarding this organization and are currently working with the District Attorney's Office. The organization has been temporarily shut down in the meantime.

I will be creating a report for the OPPD which I will forward to the DA's Office when completed.

Would you be able to send me a copy of the letter you received in order for me to attach to the report?

You may also contact the DA's Office - Consumer Protection Unit - at 913-715-3003.

Thank you for your assistance,
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There are many others who are in a similar situation as mine. What would be the best way to be included with this report? Or should they send a separate report?
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Are the other victims Overland Park residents? If so, if they want to send their information to me and a copy of their letters received as well, I will add them to the report.
If they are not Overland Park residents, they may want to contact the DA's office first for further instruction.

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Sure, what would be the best way to send it to you?
Scan it in and email it, send regular mail, or fax?
I am at work, so I will not be able to send it to you till tomorrow.
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E-mailing or faxing will work - my fax is 913-890-1469. Whichever is more convenient for you.

I will be writing the report up - the report number is 2012-015001.

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Default Also, to who was recorded on the phone converstation

Recording a phone conversation without EXPLICIT consent is considered a FEDERAL wiretapping offense. I have worked for a telecommunications company in KC and this would be a clear cut case if Mr. Creed did not EXPLICITLY say he was recording the conversation. There is no way that we could file a class action lawsuit against Mr. Creed and get any money (getting blood from a turnip) but we can send him up the river for as long as possible. To whoever was recorded on the phone conversation without consent please file charges. I will be glad to assist if possible.
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Recording a phone conversation without EXPLICIT consent is considered a FEDERAL wiretapping offense. I have worked for a telecommunications company in KC and this would be a clear cut case if Mr. Creed did not EXPLICITLY say he was recording the conversation. There is no way that we could file a class action lawsuit against Mr. Creed and get any money (getting blood from a turnip) but we can send him up the river for as long as possible. To whoever was recorded on the phone conversation without consent please file charges. I will be glad to assist if possible.
you do not have to notify the other party in Kansas
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you do not have to notify the other party in Kansas
You do depending on where the other party is.
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you do not have to notify the other party in Kansas
Federal law > State law
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Just know what the merriam detective told me.
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I'm pretty sure Federal wiretapping laws only needs the consent of one person, and it can be the person recording.
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Darla Jay is talking about the loser again, and Erik's on the phone again.... ha ha!
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Yeah its a recycled interview I heard and was thinking a new one
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That's not quite how it works, Beastie. Federal law only applies to calls across state lines and to federal employees, buildings, or lands. This is why every state has their own tangled web of piecemeal recording laws.

REGARDLESS, the important thing here is not that a conversation was taped, but that we have an opportunity now to help establish a precedent specifically addressing the mugshot vultures that are preying on the poorest and most disenfranchised citizens of this country. There are laws on the books that make this kind of a business illegal technically, but there have been NO rulings enforcing these regulations that I have uncovered, neither has there been any attempt to apply laws governing extortion to this specific scam. I have a close friend (even if he is a lawyer) in Lawrence that is willing to do some research into the legal side of things, and which, if any, rulings might apply here, as well as giving us a better answer on when and what the precedents are.

The fact that the Johnson County DA seems to be investigating avenues for charges is incredible and a prime example of how direct action activism REALLY WORKS. I'd lost faith in that. Thanks for restoring even a tiny bit of my faith in human nature.

We've done good work so far, but we need to keep our focus honed in on a singular issue. I'm not from KS, I have nothing personally invested in this movement other than enthusiasm for making positive change in the world and IF we see some kind of ruling from the courts on mugshot extortionists, you can bet that other states will take an interest in the issue. Who knows, we might have achieved the critical mass of publicity and profile to see a chain reaction of rulings in other states if we can just get SOME kind of case in front of a judge when we have such a prime target with lots of negative attention currently, and not a huge reserve of funds to hire an ace legal team. I'll be keeping an eye on developments here, and I hope the DA does go forward with prosecution.

IF HE DOESN'T, I have registered an LLC to attach to a kickstart campaign to raise money for a lawyer to pursue a civil action against Creed. Since I am not from KC, I would prefer if someone else handled any funds that are generated. I'm going to try to reach out to Eric, since he's been instrumental in both building this community and doggedly pursuing this issue. Creed has no money, so a lawyer will have to be paid by the hour. There's no chance for any kind of return on investment here, and that isn't the point. The reason that doing this is important if the DA does not bring a case to a judge, WE STILL CAN. Not to punish Creed as an end in itself, but to make sure that a ruling is made that can be used as a precedent in further actions against everyone pursuing this kind of business. Creed has paved the way for us, providing us with step by step documentation both physical and digital. This is truly a UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY for even a marginally successful fundraising operation to have BIG IMPACT. The other guys that are doing this are a little smarter, a little harder to track, and they have a lot more money. If we want to see a ruling, Creed is the easiest target. I don't care if he himself only ends up paying a penny as a result of a suit--the GOAL is simply to get a ruling on the books, to pave the way for others to more confidently pursue the big dogs.

If the best we do is to get a single website taken down, then this is a lost battle. It truly is, because another guy will come along and do the same thing, and the guys that created this business model and are getting RICH off of misery will have no reason to stop. In fact, if the only thing that happens as a result of all the public awareness and outcry that has been generated is the closing of a single site, the position of the other mugshot extortionists will be strengthened! They will see a huge wave of publicity wash out with no REAL CONSEQUENCES for the operators. There are a LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING HOW THIS WILL PLAY OUT, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION.

So, don't let it die here guys. We've done something amazing here, something that will improve the lives of many people in your community, whether or not they have made mistakes in their past.

Sorry for the wall of text. It's been awesome to watch this develop. I hope we can keep it going long enough to make a real difference! What I need from you, the community, is a commitment to see this thing through. I'm willing to put time into organization as long as I have someone in KC to act as a liaison, to provide me with information, and who is someone from KC that the community feels like they can trust to safeguard the fundraiser if it ends up being necessary.

This weekend I will be reaching out to some of the organizations that are working for the same goal, for information, advice, and where they are and what they've been able to do so far. I run a home business so my free time is somewhat limited. If someone could go through this thread and pull out the statutes that were posted earlier regarding extortion, blackmail, and most importantly, the one dealing with exposure of criminal records, I would be really grateful. It's the kind of thing that will really help out my lawyer friend in Lawrence who has offered us his valuable time to research this for us. I will do my best and work for you if you guys work for me!
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Meh... Looks like he's left himself ANOTHER way out in that latter.... As in... We may not have seen the last of him.
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