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2011 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1

As you may know already, the all-newChevrolet Corvette will be introduced in 2013 and according to some well-placed sources it will be completely different from the current model. Moreover, some sources go even further and say that the new Corvette will be mid-engined. What is more interesting is that the new car will take on cars developed by Porsche and Ferrari, as the current model falls short of the global appeal of rival cars developed by the two well-known manufacturers.

Apparently, the goal of the new Corvette C7 is to be a truly global competitor, at least according to Reuss, GMs North America president. Regarding the mid-engined layout, it is a very strong possibility to see it on the newcar, as the Corvette has often been used as a technological testbed for General Motors, says Autocar.
A big change comparing with the previous models, is that General Motors is considering a smaller V6 engine in favor of a bigger V8. Regarding the interior, GM says that it will be much more modern than the current design and that it will be absolutely world class. In order to prepare the Bowling Green Assembly plant, the place where the Corvette is being built, GM announced last week that it will invest $131 million and that the 2012 model year Corvette will hit the dealerships this summer.
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Every time there about to change Corvette generations the press say the next generation will be mid-engined.
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Will they finally put some decent seats in it?
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The problem is, is that even if its mid engine and completely destroys a ferrari or porsche in power ratings, they just wont be on that level. The main reason is because Americans wont pay for what it would take to compete with those two on an all around level.

here is a corvette ZR1 interior, the top of the top for the current corvette and its just a little over the 6 figure mark.




now here is the interior of a ferrari f430. absolutely no comparison. and until GM can get the corvette on the same level then they wont compete with ferrari or porsche or any of the other euro supercar makers.

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lol, mid-engine C7...
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lol, mid-engine C7...
its a step in the right direction if they actually want to compete on the world level with porsche and ferrari....
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maybe, but it won't happen in the C7. I'm betting the C7 is like a C6.5. Same basic car w/ new body panels, an updated engine w/ ~20-30hp more and a marginally nicer interior.
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I agree, and like i said, the US consumer is the reason why the Corvette wont be allowed to compete on that level. The US buyers will not be willing to pay $150k+ for a Corvette. There just isnt a market in the US for a ferrari level corvette.

Maybe if they put it on the international market on a very limited run and really did somthing completely amazing with the interior as well as a new exterior then MAYBE it could be seen as a competitor and more "worldly" but that car wouldnt do well in the states.
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I haven't sat in a corvette since a C5, but the ZR1 looks pretty damn nice. But apparently the difference in price between the interiors of a Porsche and a Corvette is about $100 in materials.
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The problem is, is that even if its mid engine and completely destroys a ferrari or porsche in power ratings, they just wont be on that level. The main reason is because Americans wont pay for what it would take to compete with those two on an all around level.

here is a corvette ZR1 interior, the top of the top for the current corvette and its just a little over the 6 figure mark.




now here is the interior of a ferrari f430. absolutely no comparison. and until GM can get the corvette on the same level then they wont compete with ferrari or porsche or any of the other euro supercar makers.


Hmmmm....maybe I'm the only one that thinks the Ferrari dashboards look cheap and even a bit cheesy. To me, that's not what a dashboard in a $250K+ car should look like. Even the interior of the 911 is a bit cheap looking. The C6's interior flaws revolve around two obvious and very fixable issues. The steering wheel. Really? The same fucking steering wheel out of Cobalt? The seats. WHAT THE FUCK? Grow a pair and put some real God damn seats in the car or at least give the option for some REAL seats. Don't give me that BS excuse that it's too expensive to offer different seats due to crash regs because Ford has managed to find the money in the Boss Mustang and Porsche by offering 3 different seat types for the 911. Fix the seats and steering wheel in the C6 and you wouldn't see many people bitching about the Vette interior.


As for the C7 being a midengined V6 car, they've been saying this since the C3. It ain't happening. The C7 will retain the standard Vette layout, but will probably be slightly shorter and much narrower. GM will address the seats and steering wheel and the engine may become a slightly smaller, higher revving pushrod V8 with variable cam timing and direct injection.

The C7 will still be the GM halo car, but it's still going to be affordable to the upper middle class just like it's always been. There will be performance verisons that will easily rival the exotic offerings. Hell, right now, a base C6 performs nearly as good as most exotics. The Z06 and ZR1 and right there with most everything. The C7 will just elevate the performance potential, probably significantly.

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I haven't sat in a corvette since a C5, but the ZR1 looks pretty damn nice. But apparently the difference in price between the interiors of a Porsche and a Corvette is about $100 in materials.
I think most people's issue is that it's almost identical to a 'base' vette. Like mine is a 1lt coupe:

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i wish people would get off this interior high horse. if a car out performs another car who really gives a fuck about the interior. not me. i will sit on a fucking milk crate if i need to.

i have worked on a lot of interiors of a lot of diffrent cars and i just don't get it. just be happy that you can hit the go pedal and put bus lengths on the guy next to you.
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i wish people would get off this interior high horse. if a car out performs another car who really gives a fuck about the interior. not me. i will sit on a fucking milk crate if i need to.

i have worked on a lot of interiors of a lot of diffrent cars and i just don't get it. just be happy that you can hit the go pedal and put bus lengths on the guy next to you.
OK, you had me at high horse. Great post.

PS: The guys that rag about interior are the guys getting their ass handed to them by a cheaper car. Think about it. lol
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Fit and finish is what puts ferrari, porsche and lambo on a different level.

Whether YOU personally need a nice interior or not doesnt matter, most general customers wish to had that nice feel on the inside WHILE they are putting bus lengths on the person next to them.

And dave, the color isnt my favorite, but the hand stitched leather is miles ahead of the corvets vinyl and plastic dash with basic "bin in the corner" vents.

You are right though, the steering wheel and the seats are HUGE issues with the vette. Put a flat bottom steering wheel and some nice performance seats along with some leather accents and it would transform that interior. also, that radio looks pretty cheap and plastic-ee


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Another thing, the comments about the interior come because THAT is what is holding the vette back from being a world class car on the level of a ferrari or porsche.

But like i said earlier, GM wont do what it takes because the US vette buyer wont pay for it to be on that level. If they did a Ferrari level interior and mid engined v-8 putting out 500+whp it would be a $200k+ car and they would have some special name for it and make 10 total.
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Fit and finish is what puts ferrari, porsche and lambo on a different level.

Whether YOU personally need a nice interior or not doesnt matter, most general customers wish to had that nice feel on the inside WHILE they are putting bus lengths on the person next to them.

And dave, the color isnt my favorite, but the hand stitched leather is miles ahead of the corvets vinyl and plastic dash with basic "bin in the corner" vents.

You are right though, the steering wheel and the seats are HUGE issues with the vette. Put a flat bottom steering wheel and some nice performance seats along with some leather accents and it would transform that interior. also, that radio looks pretty cheap and plastic-ee


also, dave...here is a better color


to me i look at that and think " hey look a momo steering wheel from fast and furious and auto zone foot pedals"

i just don't get it. i really don't.

say it is hand stitching, blah blah blah. it doesn't matter. i personally think that interior is attrocious. very missmatched to me
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This reminds me of the BOSS 302 vs. M3 comparison. All the BMW nut swingers are upset that their beloved M3 is getting beat by a Mustang. So they start pulling the M3 is still better because it's a luxury sports car. Who gives a fuck? The faster car is still faster.
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Like Ford did with the GT. They need a ground up build to compete.
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i wish people would get off this interior high horse. if a car out performs another car who really gives a fuck about the interior. not me. i will sit on a fucking milk crate if i need to.

i have worked on a lot of interiors of a lot of diffrent cars and i just don't get it. just be happy that you can hit the go pedal and put bus lengths on the guy next to you.
Since I spend most of my time behind the controls and in a seat while driving, I much prefer the interior, seats, and controls to have a good feel. It goes a long way for most of us, especially on longer trips. There's no reason to skimp out on the interior, especially on a $55K+ car.
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Like Ford did with the GT. They need a ground up build to compete.
Exactly. Thats why we make thrrads about a GT when we see them. They have been discontinued since 2006.
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Fit and finish is what puts ferrari, porsche and lambo on a different level.

Whether YOU personally need a nice interior or not doesnt matter, most general customers wish to had that nice feel on the inside WHILE they are putting bus lengths on the person next to them.

And dave, the color isnt my favorite, but the hand stitched leather is miles ahead of the corvets vinyl and plastic dash with basic "bin in the corner" vents.

You are right though, the steering wheel and the seats are HUGE issues with the vette. Put a flat bottom steering wheel and some nice performance seats along with some leather accents and it would transform that interior. also, that radio looks pretty cheap and plastic-ee


also, dave...here is a better color

I still don't see how it's a quality looking interior. Aside from the wheel, seats, some trim pieces, and the fact that much of the dash is leather, I see a 1990s GM dash board design. It's bubbly with big panel gaps, poor flow, cheesy vents, and even an airbag cut out on the passenger side dash. How 1990s.

The late model Lambo interiors are probably some of the best, but that's to be expected since VW owns them.
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Exactly. Thats why we make thrrads about a GT when we see them. They have been discontinued since 2006.
Oh what I would give for a GT. I wish Ford would bring out another limited run of the GT except with a EcoBoosted 5.0L
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I still don't see how it's a quality looking interior. Aside from the wheel, seats, some trim pieces, and the fact that much of the dash is leather, I see a 1990s GM dash board design. It's bubbly with big panel gaps, poor flow, cheesy vents, and even an airbag cut out on the passenger side dash. How 1990s.

The late model Lambo interiors are probably some of the best, but that's to be expected since VW owns them.

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Hey, I didn't say anything about long term reliability. VW/Audi are the leading industry experts in 'perceived' quality.
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