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Corvette sales seem to be doing fine based on what I see across the country. I personally will take a ZR1 over a Ferrari any day!
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so when gm and ford bring up thier interior standards then they get called out for copying the competition and people will start bitching about the prices because of the overdone interiors.............. remember the good old days before the interior would suck you off.........
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so when gm and ford bring up thier interior standards then they get called out for copying the competition and people will start bitching about the prices because of the overdone interiors.............. remember the good old days before the interior would suck you off.........
that was my main point of why it will never happen.

"vette owners" wont want to pay ferrari prices just because GM thinks they want to "compete" with ferrari.

and carlos, i would only take a ZR1 over a ferrari because of the price. but if a 599 was down around the same price as a ZR1....ummmmm, yeah.
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I'm kinda split on the issue, I have a C5 which I think leaves something to be desired, but I think they have done a better job with the C6. As far as the "high dollar" cars, I don't feel that equal performance (to said new C7) with "better" interiors justifies the difference in cost. If it were me and interior was a major issue, I'd grab the ZR1 or C7 whichever and throw 20k at a Caravaggio interior and come out huge bucks ahead! Just my opinion.


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Now THAT is what GM needs to put in the new vette
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So do you suggest going with that originally and asking 3rd party plus markup adding an additional 30-40k to the price of the car? Just curious.
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that was my main point of why it will never happen.

"vette owners" wont want to pay ferrari prices just because GM thinks they want to "compete" with ferrari.

and carlos, i would only take a ZR1 over a ferrari because of the price. but if a 599 was down around the same price as a ZR1....ummmmm, yeah.

The 599 is a nice looking car, but it doesn't offer the same muscular look as a ZR1 in my opinion.
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So do you suggest going with that originally and asking 3rd party plus markup adding an additional 30-40k to the price of the car? Just curious.
OEMS vs a coach builder service shouldn't ever be the same they are offering two different services. If GM is serious they need to step it up, the Italians have been doing what they do for awhile

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The 599 is a nice looking car, but it doesn't offer the same muscular look as a ZR1 in my opinion.
And at about $420k you could get 2 ZR1's WITH Caravaggio interiors and have enough left over to do this:

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Every time there about to change Corvette generations the press say the next generation will be mid-engined.
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The cost to use a mid-engine platform likely makes it an impossibility unless they were to collaborate with another manufacturer.

I hate to be a Lotus fanboy, but the VVA (variable vehicle architecture) platform is perfect for this type of venture. Additionally, it would reduce the weight and ease the cost concerns for government certification for both manufacturers.

If you haven't checked out the VVA, google it. Lotus will be building mid and front(mid) engined cars on the same modular lightweight aluminum platform.
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fwiw and most GM interior haters in here wont care, but that's not the uplevel 3zr interior
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The cost to use a mid-engine platform likely makes it an impossibility unless they were to collaborate with another manufacturer.

I hate to be a Lotus fanboy, but the VVA (variable vehicle architecture) platform is perfect for this type of venture. Additionally, it would reduce the weight and ease the cost concerns for government certification for both manufacturers.

If you haven't checked out the VVA, google it. Lotus will be building mid and front(mid) engined cars on the same modular lightweight aluminum platform.
So something along the lines of 131 million dollars won't help
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As much as I love Corvettes...........I can see GM competing for Porsche buyers but can’t see GM competing for Ferrari Buyers. And it’s not just because of the interior. The Corvette and the 911 (or Cayman for that matter) are mass produced Vehicles. During a good year GM will sell 40,000 plus Corvettes and Porsche will sell 25,000 plus 911s. Where Ferrari will sell less than 5,000 458s. (There most popular model)

Not only that but the Corvette hasn’t really changed there basic design in almost 15 years. (Sorry but there is not a big deference in the C5 and C6) And the 911 arguably hasn’t changed there basic design in almost 50 years. To me that is both companies biggest problem. When looking for a sports car people want something different, rare and special. And it makes it hard when there is literally a half of a million (or more) cars on the road that look close to the same as yours.

This makes both companies victims of there own successes and there desire not to change. They just sell too many of cars of basically the same design. IMO bolder designs, bigger differences in model variants, etc. would make both the Corvette and the 911 more desirable.
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Maybe I misunderstood, but that money is earmarked for the factory upgrade, not designing, engineering, and testing a new vehicle platform.
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it needs a Pagani Zonda F type of interior
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Maybe I misunderstood, but that money is earmarked for the factory upgrade, not designing, engineering, and testing a new vehicle platform.
Well if they are re-tooling the factory they could switch up the chassis layout
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A mid engine 500 hp vette would make some serious noise on a fucking racetrack in any measurable test. Could they upgrade the interior a bit? I'm sure, but in all honesty I don't think it's that bad.
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As much as I love Corvettes...........I can see GM competing for Porsche buyers but canít see GM competing for Ferrari Buyers. And itís not just because of the interior. The Corvette and the 911 (or Cayman for that matter) are mass produced Vehicles. During a good year GM will sell 40,000 plus Corvettes and Porsche will sell 25,000 plus 911s. Where Ferrari will sell less than 5,000 458s. (There most popular model)

Not only that but the Corvette hasnít really changed there basic design in almost 15 years. (Sorry but there is not a big deference in the C5 and C6) And the 911 arguably hasnít changed there basic design in almost 50 years. To me that is both companies biggest problem. When looking for a sports car people want something different, rare and special. And it makes it hard when there is literally a half of a million (or more) cars on the road that look close to the same as yours.

This makes both companies victims of there own successes and there desire not to change. They just sell too many of cars of basically the same design. IMO bolder designs, bigger differences in model variants, etc. would make both the Corvette and the 911 more desirable.
I hope you know that while the shape of the 911 hasn't changed much the design of the suspension/brakes/powertrain has change quite a lot in just the last 2 generations. Just saying.
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I hope you know that while the shape of the 911 hasn't changed much the design of the suspension/brakes/powertrain has change quite a lot in just the last 2 generations. Just saying.
I am sorry if I wasn't clear I was talking only looks not the mechanicals.
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Those aftermarket interiors look like a couch stuffed inside a car. Sorry, but not appealing. You can have a good interior without looking like a tacky fluffy atrocity.
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Report: Next Chevy Corvette to offer small-displacement turbo V8




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According to TheDetroitBureau.com, General Motors is planning to alter its strategy with the next-generation Corvette to appeal to a wider range of customers. Traditionally, the Corvette has always been offered with high-displacement eight-cylinder powertrains, but according to sources within GM, the C7 Corvette may also offer a small, turbocharged V8.

Just how small, exactly? TDB reports that the next Corvette's European-style V8 could measure in at just over 3.0 liters, using an overhead-cam setup and dry sump oil system. With the aid of turbocharging, unnamed GM sources expect that this engine will deliver "in excess of 400 horsepower," or about 125 hp per liter. What's more, the smaller V8 could be of the extremely high-revving nature, with TDB citing that engine revs could handle up to 10,000 RPM.

GM's North American president, Mark Reuss, previously told The Bureau that the C7 Corvette will "target a very different sort of buyer."

However, traditional V8 enthusiasts need not worry, as the story states that a full range of engines will be available, including the classic larger displacement units that have traditionally found a home in the Corvette.

Of course, the rumormill about exactly what's in store for the C7 Corvette continues to swirl. We've heard everything from a mid-engine layout to a split rear window design that pays tribute to the 1963 'Vette. Whatever the case, GM just invested $131 million in the Bowling Green, Kentucky plant that builds the Corvette and the all-new model is expected to arrive within the next two to three years.
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3ltr turbo v8 that revs to 10k

I like the sound of that better then any other rumor I've heard.
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