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We just bought one of these. 2015 Genesis 3.8 AWD with signature/tech package. 25k miles for 29k in near mint condition (few detailing things needed). An absolute steal at this price.

Replaced the Mercedes C300 we had as its cost of ownership was too high for our liking, it lacked some luxuries that these cars have, and is quite a bit smaller than the Genesis.

Same year, almost the same mileage, Genesis with a 10k MSRP premium over the Merc when new, and yet we got it with a -1500 trade difference. They paid us to take the nicer car with the better warranty.



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Nice, I haven't driven this one but I did drive the 1st gen ..I want to drive the sport
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Hyundai and Genesis to Cut Product Design Cycles in Half






Automaker says its to respond to quickly changing trends


Hyundai has revealed that it plans to cut the product design cycles in half for its namesake brand and its Genesis luxury division. According to a report from Automotive News, the move is mean to help the automaker keep its products fresh and respond quickly to changing trends and newcomers to the auto industry like Tesla, Waymo and startups with financial backing from China
Luc Donckerwolke, Hyundai and Genesis senior vice president of design, and former Bentley designer says that the automaker wants to cut the time from sketches to production from three years to 1.5 years. Donckerwolke revealed to Automotive News that it’s possible to cut the design process in half partly thanks to the opening of a new design studio within Hyundai Motor Group’s Namyang facility. The new design studio will be responsible for 65 projects between Hyundai and Genesis, and will be able to work on 25 of them at the same time. However, designers for all the two brands will be separated to keep them from influencing each other. Donckerwolke also points out that his design team can cut a car’s design cycle by 30 percent. Sister brand Kia also has its own design studios within the Namyang R&D center.
Lee SangYup, another former Bentley designer who recently joined Hyundai Motor Group, states that the automakers needs to streamline its design process to speed things up. He also told Automotive News that both brands are committed to “leading by design.” The Hyundai Kona is the first vehicle to feature Hyundai’s new design language. At Genesis, the G70 sedan will be the first vehicle to feature its new identity when it debuts in September. It will be followed by a redesigned G80, which is expected before 2020.
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Genesis Product Plans Through 2021 Revealed






Hyundai’s luxury channel to expand rapidly into multiple car, SUV segments


It took Toyota’s Lexus Division nearly a decade to grow its modest product lineup into one that occupied a majority of segments where luxury consumers shopped.
But Genesis, the premium brand recently created by Hyundai Motor, is not being nearly as patient. In fact, its brash product plan could put established Japanese and German luxury marques on their heels.
According to internal company documents seen by Motor Trend, Genesis will have three sedans, three SUVs, a sports coupe, and a dedicated electric vehicle by the end of 2021. And that’s just for starters.

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Genesis G70The G70 compact sedan, set to be unveiled in September in South Korea, will challenge the likes of the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes C-Class and go on sale in the U.S. in early 2018.

The GV80 midsize crossover, which was unveiled in concept form at this year’s New York auto show, will arrive in early 2019. It will be quickly followed by the GV70, based on the G70 platform.

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Then things start getting really interesting, with the return of a sporty coupe arriving alongside a redesign of the G90 flagship (after just four years on the market).
After that we will see a “crossover-utility vehicle,” which will be in addition to the GV70 and GV80 but which Genesis execs say will be sufficiently different in that it will not cannibalize sales like the BMW X6 does with the X5.
An electric vehicle, which will be on a dedicated Genesis platform not shared with Hyundai’s EV work, should arrive by 2021, as well.
The G80 midsize sedan also should see re-engineering during this period, though Genesis officials declined to give a timeframe. There also is the possibility of a shooting brake—envision a sporty wagon similar in style to the Mercedes CLS wagon—for the European market.

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Genesis executives throw around words such as “daring” and “audacious,” and this certainly applies to the brand’s fearless approach to product launches. A complete product portfolio is essential to get onto luxury consumers’ shopping lists as a valid and credible brand, said Manfred Fitzgerald, the Genesis brand’s global boss, in an interview.
There is even talk of creating high-performance versions of Genesis vehicles to compete with the Mercedes-AMG or BMW M skunkworks brands.
And this is just what Genesis is confirming.
“There are a lot of white spots on the map,” Fitzgerald said. “We have a lot of ideas for the future.”








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Hyundai Confirms Plans For Genesis EV And Long-Range EV Model





Hyundai and Kia have announced plans to introduce 31 eco-friendly vehicles by 2020.

As part of a "multi-pronged approach," the automakers will offer a variety of green models with hybrid, electric, and fuel cell powertrains.

The companies were coy on specifics but confirmed they want to be "leading the global popularization of hybrid vehicles" and as part of this initiative they will offer hybrid versions of crossovers and other "large vehicles." We can also expect to see rear- and four-wheel drive models with hybrid powertrains.

On the electric side, the Hyundai Motor Group will launch a Kona EV with a range of 390 km (242 miles) in the first half of 2018. It will be followed by a Genesis EV in 2021 and a "long-range EV" later that decade. Little is known about the latter model but the company said it will have a range of at least 500 km (310 miles).

The HMG also confirmed plans to develop its "first dedicated architecture for pure electric vehicles, which will allow the company to produce multiple models with longer driving ranges."

Lastly, on the hydrogen side, the company is working towards boosting the performance and durability of fuel cell vehicles while also making the powertrains smaller and more affordable so they can be used in sedans.
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Hyundai will introduce the Genesis luxury EV in 2021


























Hyundai Motor Group – including both Hyundai Motor and Kia Motors – has disclosed a wide-ranging plan to introduce 31 environment-friendly models in a new development roadmap that aims to ultimately create a cleaner environment through these eco-friendly vehicles.

While previewing its next generation fuel cell vehicle, Hyundai announced its eco-vehicle development roadmap that entails a multi-pronged approach. This means that Hyundai won't focus its efforts on just one type of eco-friendly vehicle, but will create a lineup that offers various powertrain options like fuel cell, hybrid drive and electric.
Hyundai is pursuing this 2020 plan in response to the growing demand for fuel-efficient, eco-friendly vehicles around the world. As part of this road map, Hyundai will continue pursuing hydrogen fuel cell technology and will exert more efforts to strengthen its leadership in this area. The South Korean carmaker plans to achieve this by putting more focus on improving r&d works to further boost the performance and durability of FCEVs. Likewise, r&d will focus on making the fuel cell technology smaller and cheaper to allow it to be installed in smaller sedans.
As another part of this roadmap, Hyundai aims to lead the auto industry in the production and introduction of hybrid vehicles, as the carmaker plans to expand its current hybrid lineup to include sports utility vehicles as well as large vehicles. Furthermore, Hyundai seeks to develop four-wheel drive (4WD) and rear wheel drive variants of hybrid vehicles, making use of the brand’s proprietary Transmission-Mounted Electrical Device (TMED) system.
Likewise, the South Korean carmaker plans to further penetrate the electric vehicle market, where it already competes with the current IONIQ model. In addition, Hyundai will offer a diverse electric vehicle lineup ranging from small EVs to luxurious units under its Genesis. In fact, Hyundai has already outlined the planned release dates for its new electric vehicles.
For instance, Hyundai is planning to launch the EV version of its Kona compact sports utility vehicle in the first half of 2018. The new Kona compact electric SUV will have a range of around 390 km. The South Korean carmaker will then introduce to the market a Genesis luxury EV model in 2021. Then, Hyundai will launch a long-range EV that could travel up to 500 km before needing to recharge.
Furthermore, Hyundai will commence the development of its first architecture that will exclusively underpin pure electric vehicles. This new EV platform is expected to enable Hyundai to produce multiple models that could travel a greater range.
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The men and minds behind Genesis


Two Lamborghini veterans reunite to launch a luxury marque






Manfred Fitzgerald, Genesis global brand chief, left, with Luc Donckerwolke, the brand's chief designer.




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HWASEONG, South Korea -- Branding guru Manfred Fitzgerald and veteran designer Luc Donckerwolke first met nearly 20 years ago while at the Volkswagen Group. Their bosses tasked them with reviving the then-struggling Lamborghini sports car business.
Mission accomplished, they went their separate ways.

But fortune now finds the duo back together in South Korea at the helm of Hyundai's spinoff Genesis brand for an even bigger challenge: launching an entirely new luxury marque from scratch.
They haven't been shy about making waves at a flagship Korean company known for its top-down management style. Just a half-year into the job, the foreign executives are already blazing a path by defining the Genesis brand DNA.
Among their first moves will be pushing a bolder design language that departs from the two stolidly styled cars that kicked off the independent brand, the G90 and G80 sedans.

Nor does either harbor any illusions about the challenge they face in transforming a largely unknown Korean wannabe into a legitimate challenger of the world's top tier luxury makes. Genesis not only lacks the history of German rivals such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW, it also can't muster the name recognition of newer Japanese competitors such as Lexus.
"One of the biggest tasks we had at the beginning was defining really who we are," says Fitzgerald, who took charge as Genesis global brand chief in January. "Defining the DNA of this brand was very crucial."
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That DNA, he says, centers around three traits: being progressive, being distinctly Korean and, fittingly for an upstart, targeting brands with a century of heritage, being audacious.
"Audacious. That's definitely one of the character traits you can feel here on every level of the company," Fitzgerald said in a July 6 interview outside the Hyundai Motor Group's global r&d center just south of Seoul. "For us, first and foremost is really getting our foot down in the right way as being recognized as a true competitor."
Getting Genesis noticed is a key reason Fitzgerald, 52, and Donckerwolke, 51, were poached by Vice Chairman Chung Eui-sun, son of Hyundai Motor Group Chairman Chung Mong-koo. As outsiders steeped in the European luxury market, they are charged with infusing that flare into a neophyte brand that dates back only as far as Nov. 5, 2015, when the marque was cleaved from its mass-market stablemate Hyundai.

The stakes are high for the entire auto group as the Genesis gambit tests new ground and sucks up valuable product development, marketing and production resources. By 2020, Genesis will introduce six models, including the G90 and G80 that arrive in the United States in August.
Fitszgerald said the goal "is being recognized as an authentic and relevant global luxury brand. We have some expertise in that field to bring to this."

Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke cut their teeth at the extreme end of the superluxury market, repositioning the uber-expensive, ultrachic Lamborghini brand.
The dapper, circumspect Donckerwolke arrived there in 1998, while the outgoing, focused Fitzgerald joined him the following year.
It wasn't an easy time for the sports-car legend. Donckerwolke described turn-of-the century Lamborghini as "just an r&d department making prototypes and selling them to the clients" without the backbone of its own marketing or design departments.
That's where Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke stepped in, staging a rapid revival, says Karl Brauer, senior director of automotive insights at Kelley Blue Book.
"Lamborghini was sort of a caricature of itself in 1999," he said. "The cars were gaudy, even by Lamborghini standards, and not particularly compelling from a performance or quality standpoint. It took VW's coffers, along with capable managers like Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke, to make Lamborghini great again."
But the two face a tougher task at Genesis, Brauer warned.
"They will have to convince buyers that Hyundai can make a worthy Lexus alternative, which is even harder than fixing a formerly Chrysler-controlled Italian supercar brand," he said. "Hopefully, Hyundai is in it for the long haul, because that's what the company is facing, no matter how good Genesis is. We're talking a 20-plus-year time frame."
Donckerwolke was initially hired to lead design at the Hyundai brand, a position he still holds. But later he was appointed chair of Genesis design as well under a newly established Prestige Design Division. During his long career at the Volkswagen Group, the Belgian stylist oversaw design at Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Seat and Skoda.
Fitzgerald, an American, left Lamborghini in 2011 after 12 years at the company and eventually set up his own consulting practice.
Both leaders have weekly meetings with Vice Chairman Chung Eui-sun, who takes an active interest in Genesis as a kind of personal project.
"He's involved with all the decisions," Fitzgerald said.
Design departure
Changing design direction has been one of the biggest decisions.
The decision to switch gears so soon after the brand's launch was a bold departure for a new venture that already had two cars under way, including its top-shelf flagship, the G90.
The G90 and G80 designs were frozen before Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke arrived.
But Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke were given veto power over everything starting with the G70 sedan coming next year, and they already are swiftly shifting course. Aside from the G70, a BMW 3-series rival, Genesis also has a coupe and two crossovers in the pipeline.
"If the design does not resonate with the customer, guess what? He doesn't even have to try the car," Fitzgerald said. "We live in a very visual world. And that matters."
The new looks will cue off the aggressively planted, long-hooded, low-slung New York Concept sedan that won rave reviews at the Big Apple's show in March.
Genesis will benefit from already having a platform that allows dynamic rear-wheel-drive proportions, said Donckerwolke. Key to the look will be:

• Short front overhangs
• Long wheelbase
• Long rear overhang
• A further developed "crest grille"


• A descending "parabolic curve" character line
"We are sporty, yet elegant," Donckerwolke said. "We are not conventional in our architecture. We have no ballast of the past. We are absolutely free to define our identity."
"One of the biggest tasks we had at the beginning was defining really who we are. Defining the DNA of the brand was very crucial." Manfred Fitzgerald



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But having no past may also be the upstart's biggest challenge.

Genesis' past is still firmly rooted in Hyundai, a brand that is still seen as a value proposition in the U.S. market, says Jessica Caldwell, senior auto analyst at Edmunds.com. Indeed, Genesis vehicles will be sold alongside Hyundai in U.S. dealerships, at least initially.
"Once the market has identified a company as a value brand, that stigma is hard to shake, and corporate images take a long time to transform," Caldwell said. "This will be a struggle for Hyundai as they try to introduce a luxury sister brand."
Fitzgerald and Donckerwolke aim to mold a new Genesis identity through being authentically Korean and through being progressive in styling and technology.
The Korean character will show through a sense of harmony, balance and humility.
"It's not about having a sticker of a Korean flag somewhere," Fitzgerald said.
On the technology front, he said, Genesis will "always be on the outlook for the newest, the latest, the most meaningful technology." That means complements of electric and hybrid drivetrains down the road, and possibly even a hydrogen fuel cell, he said.
Some kind of eco-drivetrain option is likely by 2020, Fitzgerald said. But because electrification is a must-have across the industry, that will increasingly become a less potent brand differentiator, he added.
In the home market, it seems to be the right formula.
For the first six months of the year, Genesis sold 17,000 units in South Korea, already exceeding the target of 14,000 for the full year.
Genesis' blitz of building a full six-nameplate lineup in just five years should put to rest any doubt that the company isn't serious -- or audacious, Donckerwolke said.
"It gives a certain dimension to the brand, which helps the perception as an authentic luxury brand," he said. "You're believable. You're not just trying, you're just doing it."
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Not to sound too snobby, but they have GOT to break these brands up, yesterday.

I had a very bad service experience at McCarthy Hyundai of Olathe. Their service department is very small, crap waiting room, with the tech looking like they are working in a small independently owned service garage.

So I went to Shawnee Mission Hyundai. The bays are overflowing with sonatas and elantras. The advisers are wearing body suits that look like Dickies.

How is this supposed to be a luxury brand surrounded by sub level service/dealerships?
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Contrary to previous claims, Hyundai’s new N performance division won’t be tuning models from Genesis anytime soon.
That’s the word of Genesis boss Manfred Fitzgerald.
“I don’t think so right now,” he told Motoring when quizzed about an N-tuned Genesis at this week's launch in Korea of the G70 sport sedan.
Fitzgerald, a former Lamborghini executive, went on to explain his reasoning. Basically, he sees electrification equalizing performance among brands, thus making factors such as acceleration and speed less of a differentiator in the future.
“Performance will not be on the same forefront of differentiator as it is today for ICEs [internal combustion engines],” he said. “Everybody is capable of doing an electric motor and putting it in a car, so the performance values will almost be the same.”

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You only need to look at the countless videos of Tesla Model S sedans putting supercars to shame at the drag strip to understand Fitzgerald’s thinking.
Of course, high-performance cars aren’t only about acceleration. Fitzgerald is aware of this but sees the market shifting, with environmental concerns and technology taking precedence over performance.
“I’m just looking forward to the future and I just don’t believe that [performance] will still have the same power and same meaning as it did [in the past],” he said.
Fitzgerald said that Genesis’ future lies in electrified cars. He said Genesis is working on two dedicated platforms from which various electrified models, including electric cars, can be spawned. These new models are expected to start appearing after 2021 or ’22.
The good news for enthusiasts is that the performance of electric cars in particular will only improve with time. Fitzgerald said battery weight is what’s holding back electric cars as the performance cars of the future and that engineers at Hyundai are seeking ways to eliminate the issue.
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Genesis Is Working On Opening Dedicated Showrooms




An upscale brand demands upscale showrooms. And that's just what Genesis has in store (so to speak).

Though spun off from the Hyundai brand two years ago, Genesis models (like the $68,000 G90) are still sold out of the same dealerships as $14k Accents.

That's all set to change, however, by the end of this decade. Speaking with Autonews, the brand's US general manager Erwin Raphael outlined the need for separate dealerships.

"The reality is, many, many luxury customers tell us they love our products, they're amazing, but I'm not going into a Hyundai store to buy it," said Raphael. "It's really hard to have the two cultures cohabitating.”

So the brand is currently writing the playbook that will see it establish stand-alone Genesis dealers across the country. That will mean a reduction in quantity, but an increase in quality.

Currently any of Hyundai's 835 dealers across the United States can sell Genesis models, though selling the larger G90 has required a showroom-within-a-showroom (in which only 352 dealers have invested).

Though he didn't outline an exact figure, Raphael said that the number of dealers selling Genesis models will be “substantially” reduced. The brand is currently scouting locations in individual markets to build fresh showrooms (rather than renovating existing ones).

The process is earmarked to wrap up by the end of 2020, by which time Genesis vehicles will be sold only out of dedicated showrooms, and no longer out of Hyundai locations.
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Hyundai To Give Genesis Its Own Dealerships


This is important if the Genesis brand wants to succeed.
The Genesis brand is shaping up to be a real competitor in the luxury car space. We doubted Hyundai when it first launched the Genesis and Equus, but the company is moving in the right direction to dump its old "cheap car" image. The brand is gaining traction thanks to the recently revealed G70, but still has a long way to go before all of its problems are gone. For starters, Genesis cars are still sold at regular Hyundai dealerships. This is a big problem for several reasons, but Automotive News reports that company intends to fix this issue.



The report claims that Hyundai will spinoff the Genesis brand with its own dealerships by 2020. Genesis General Manager Erwin Raphael said that the brand will establish shop standards by the end of the year that will help the transition. "The reality is, many, many luxury customers tell us they love our products, they're amazing, but I'm not going into a Hyundai store to buy it," Raphael said at the launch of the G70. The truth is that people who are spending anywhere from $40,000 to $70,000 on a Genesis do not want to have the same buying experience as someone who is shopping for a sub-$20,000 Hyundai Accent.


When people walk into a dealership to buy a non-luxury car like a Hyundai, Ford, Chevy or Honda, they are asked questions like "how much do you want your monthly payment to be?" and "what can I do to get you out the door in this car today?" These are cheesy questions that aren't befitting of a luxury automaker. You don't see many Lexus or Porsche dealerships hounding customers to run their credit before a test drive. Genesis currently has a confusing sales network where 835 Hyundai dealerships can sell the G80, while only 352 have opted to sell the G90, which requires a special show-room-within-showroom.




By 2020, the Genesis brand will expand to six models, and there will be a better excuse to have a standalone dealership. We think that this is a smart move, and one that should give the Genesis brand some much needed prestige.
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Rahman is tasked with helping to improve the performance and quality of Genesis cars.




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TOKYO – Hyundai Motor Co. has recruited another BMW engineer, this time to lead vehicle architecture development at the Genesis luxury brand as the upstart marque begins to expand its lineup and target international rivals from Germany.
Fayez Abdul Rahman was appointed vice president of Genesis architecture development to set vehicle specifications on everything from electronic systems to user experience from the early stages of product planning, the company said in a news release Tuesday.

A key focus will be improving the performance and quality of Genesis vehicles, Hyundai said.
Rahman, 58, is a German national who previously led concept and platform architecture development for several model lines at BMW, including the 7 series, X models and high-performance M brand vehicles.

The appointment comes as Genesis plans expand its three-sedan lineup to six nameplates by around 2020, next through the addition of crossovers.
Rahman lands at the Hyundai Motor Group following the arrival of Albert Biermann, a former boss of BMW's M performance line. Biermann now leads performance and high-performance vehicle development for the Hyundai, Kia and Genesis brands.

The new vehicle architecture development process applied by Rahman will gradually be applied to other Hyundai Motor Group vehicles, in a move to make its cars more competitive against those of Europe’s leading premium manufacturers.
At BMW, Rahman was most recently responsible for M Equipment, M sport packages, M performance vehicles and BMW Individual for all BMW product lines and vehicles.
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