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Looking back is a guaranteed way to lose time, so I'd say this is a good design by GM to make you go faster.
Who needs to look backwards when you have that sweet, sweet LSX to look at in front of you?
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And all these euro snobs talking about no GM innovation.
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You're like a walking BMW sales brochure.

Do they at least compensate you?
Because I like my car it makes me a BMW fanboy? Really?

As I've said many times, the ONLY BMW I'd ever consider is the M235 or M2; maybe the M240 if the B58 motor proves to be reliable in the long term (I have my doubts about that one). That's it. For what I spent and how much freaking fun, refined, and useable the M235 is on the street, I think the car is worth what I paid for it. Is it at the upper spectrum in terms of money spent compared to what you get, yeah. I also paid a little more than most because I ordered a car most BMW buyers and dealers don't want (6MT, moonroof deleted). For what you get, I think cars like the 3 and 4 series and the M3/M4 are rather overpriced and they've gotten too big. I'm not interested.

Same goes for the Camaro and Mustang. Yes, they are stellar performers, but they're just too damn big and heavy, tiny on the inside, and difficult to see out of. Sure, they post great numbers, but they're not overly confidence inspiring cars simply due to their width, weight, and outward visibility. I prefer a smaller car that makes better use of it's space and you know where all corners of the car are at any given time. I also like refinement and elegantly restrained aggressive styling. I really waivered on getting a GT350 instead of the M235, but just couldn't do it for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. I also had great hopes for the current gen Camaro as GM was saying it was going to be lighter, smaller, have a more refined look, and be easier to see out of. They did make it lighter, but everything else was business as usual with the Camaro even nearly the same look plus a bunch of tacky add-ons on the higher end cars; the same styling "enhancements" which also wreck the higher end C7s. GM needs to let their European counterparts sign off on the final design of their halo cars or pluck some designers from BMW, Benz, Audi, hell even Ford.

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For almost the same money you spent ORDERING your beemer, you couldve ORDERED the dinan version.

In terms of bench racing and just looking at the advertised numbers, your car stock puts out 330hp/320tq. In other words youre in the same realm of stock ls1 f bodies. Even with the dinan m235, youre sitting at 445hp/450tq, and the current stock camaro ss sits at 455hp/455tq, kinda sounds like all your hating is simply buyers remorse and a false sense of superiority.
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For almost the same money you spent ORDERING your beemer, you couldve ORDERED the dinan version.

In terms of bench racing and just looking at the numbers, your car stock puts out 330hp/320tq. In other words youre in the same realm of stock ls1 f bodies. Even with the dinan m235, youre sitting at 445hp/450tq, and the current stock camaro ss sits at 455hp/455tq, kinda sounds like all your hating is simply buyers remorse and a false sense of superiority.

beemer is to motorcycle as bimmer is to car

Dinan isn't looked at all that well in the BMW community either
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Friend of mine has a dinan e36 m3, his only real issue has been keeping a rear end in the car that can hold up to being launched. Thats not saying much about their quality on the newer cars I guess..

Sorry not up to date on the proper bmw terminologies, beemer/bimmer, potayto/potahto..

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For almost the same money you spent ORDERING your beemer, you couldve ORDERED the dinan version.

In terms of bench racing and just looking at the advertised numbers, your car stock puts out 330hp/320tq. In other words youre in the same realm of stock ls1 f bodies. Even with the dinan m235, youre sitting at 445hp/450tq, and the current stock camaro ss sits at 455hp/455tq, kinda sounds like all your hating is simply buyers remorse and a false sense of superiority.
I could have bought an SS, M4, GT350, etc. My choice ultimately came down to a slightly used ISF and a new M235. I realized I didn't know how to drive an automatic and didn't want another 4 door so the M235 was it. I'm not miffed by having less power than an SS, 5.0, etc. Those days of worrying about that are long gone.

FYI, most turbo BMWs are rather underrated. My 3350lb M235 is making closer to 360hp/380tq stock (310whp/330wtq stock is typical for the 6mt M235). I will eventually add a tune, intercooler, and perhaps a downpipe. That's less than $2k in simple bolt on mods. All that should make around 370whp and 400wtq on 93. 400whp/450wtq on e40. That's plenty (probably too much) in a 3350lb car. I'm all about the driving experience and learning the limits of the car so adding power isn't high on my list right now.

Also that Dinan M235 pricing is a bit misleading. They're using the $44k base price plus the $12k in Dinan mods. Most M235s have about $5k in option packages. Thus that Dinan M235 is closer to $62k.

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In terms of bench racing and just looking at the advertised numbers, your car stock puts out 330hp/320tq. In other words youre in the same realm of stock ls1 f bodies. Even with the dinan m235, youre sitting at 445hp/450tq, and the current stock camaro ss sits at 455hp/455tq, kinda sounds like all your hating is simply buyers remorse and a false sense of superiority.


Motor Trend did a comparison video between a real M2 (not Dave's shitty M235) and a V6 1LE because comparing it to the V8 1LE Camaro would have been an unfair slaughterfest in favor of the Camaro.
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Motor Trend did a comparison video between a real M2 (not Dave's shitty M235) and a V6 1LE because comparing it to the V8 1LE Camaro would have been an unfair slaughterfest in favor of the Camaro.
Again, I have not once denied GM's exceptional chassis tuning abilities in the 5th and 6th gen Camaro. Same goes for the Mustang GT350. It's wildly impressive that cars of that size and weight can post such strong numbers and for a relatively low cost in comparison to higher end cars.

Some like having a cheaper car that can destroy more expensive performance makes and some of them really get off on that and it strokes their egos because they think that car is very special and unique. Others like having a more expensive, nicer, more refined, and more polished car that's not so manic and in your face. BUT they too like having their ego stroked by that emblem on the hood and they too look at the car as special and unique. It all works the same way. And then there are some of us that just like to drive and pick the car that fits us best at that moment in our lives and don't caught up in proving anything to anyone about what their driving and who may have the fastest/quickest car on the Ring, drag strip, etc. Do you not really understand this?

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I could have bought an SS, M4, GT350, etc. My choice ultimately came down to a slightly used ISF and a new M235. I realized I didn't know how to drive an automatic and didn't want another 4 door so the M235 was it. I'm not miffed by having less power than an SS, 5.0, etc. Those days of worrying about that are long gone.
You say you dont care about your bmw having less power than a camaro, yet you gloat about your bmw being underrated.
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You say you dont care about your bmw having less power than a camaro, yet you gloat about your bmw being underrated.
I'm not gloating. You're just trying to see something that's simply not there in an effort to discredit me. I was just pointing out the facts and to educate you a bit on turbo BMWs since you do not appear to know much about them considering your poor example (i.e., the Dinan modded M235). Oh and news flash, the Camaro SS is slightly underrated as well. It makes closer to 470hp. I'm sure you knew that though.

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I'm not gloating. You're just trying to see something that's simply not there in an effort to discredit me. I was just pointing out the facts and to educate you a bit on turbo BMWs since you do not appear to know much about them considering your poor example (i.e., the Dinan modded M235). Oh and news flash, the Camaro SS is slightly underrated as well. It makes closer to 470hp. I'm sure you knew that though.
Youre right, I dont know all there is to know about turbo bmws, and Ive never claimed to, but I damn sure dont claim to be the self taught expert you so eloquently imply yourself to be. If I ever choose to truly educate myself upon all things turbo bmw, theres plenty of people on this board and local to me, who have forgotten more than youll ever remember to discuss the topic with, and arent epic douchecanoes about it. And, news flash, GM has underrated the hp on the camaro since at least the ls1 f bodies, probably earlier than that.

You should start your own thread titled "ask dave b anything". It might be one of many things that could be done to make kcsr great again.
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Youre right, I dont know all there is to know about turbo bmws, and Ive never claimed to, but I damn sure dont claim to be the self taught expert you so eloquently imply yourself to be. If I ever choose to truly educate myself upon all things turbo bmw, theres plenty of people on this board and local to me, who have forgotten more than youll ever remember to discuss the topic with, and arent epic douchecanoes about it. And, news flash, GM has underrated the hp on the camaro since at least the ls1 f bodies, probably earlier than that.

You should start your own thread titled "ask dave b anything". It might be one of many things that could be done to make kcsr great again.
I've never claimed to be an expert, but perhaps I know a little more about BMWs than you? And no shit, most any gearhead knows the LS1 was a bit underrated. The LT1 from the 1990s? Not so much.
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That designation is back, and with the same result. Only much awesomer.
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Are you high?

Mid-late 90s Cobras handled them just fine.
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Mid-late 90s Cobras handled them just fine.
I wouldn't say handled them. 99/01 were about equal. But at that point, the almighty Ellis Juan was really hurting oval feelings.
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I take it you weren't out actually racing them at that time then?


In '98 you could buy a nice new LS1 Camaro, but the aftermarket mods just weren't out on the market for them yet. There was a guy with a '98 Cobra that none of us could take down until probably late '99 or early '00, at least with the bolt-on cars.


My shitbox was 400+whp in '98
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In '98 you could buy a nice new LS1 Camaro, but the aftermarket mods just weren't out on the market for them yet. There was a guy with a '98 Cobra that none of us could take down until probably late '99 or early '00, at least with the bolt-on cars.


My shitbox was 400+whp in '98
First car I ever drag raced that was worth a shit was a 96 mystic cobra. Stock for stock, the lt1 was a tad quicker.

I don't doubt with the laughing gas you had 400 hp.
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