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Although it’s not exactly news that the next-generation Jeep Wrangler is in Fiat-Chrysler’s peripheral vision—it’s due in 2017—the company so far has remained pretty tight-lipped regarding the iconic off-roader’s future. In a statement at the 2014 Paris auto show and as reported by Automotive News, FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne brought the Wrangler to the fore and ticked off three of the industry’s hottest buzzwords—aluminum, downsizing, and turbocharging—in the process.
He may also tick off the Jeep faithful, as he said the next Wrangler could switch to a unibody platform, enlist smaller-displacement turbocharged engines, and use an aluminum body in an effort to meet ever-tightening U.S. fuel-economy standards. A perennial strong seller and the standard-bearer for Jeep’s rugged image, the Wrangler also is the last direct link to the brand’s live-axle heritage. Bringing the new Wrangler up to 21st-century standards without alienating fans or losing its tough-as-nails image will require a delicate touch.

Also of note is Marchionne’s statement to AN that pursuing aluminum construction, either solely for the body to be used with a ladder frame or for an entire unibody structure, likely would require moving production away from the Wrangler’s longtime Toledo, Ohio, home: “If the solution is aluminum, then I think unfortunately that Toledo is the wrong place, the wrong setup to try and build a Wrangler, because it requires a complete reconfiguring of the assets that would be cost-prohibitive. It would be so outrageously expensive that it would be impossible to try and work out of that facility.”
Marchionne, whose low-key style and approachable persona appealed to many inside the walls of the Toledo facility, added that, should Wrangler production be shifted elsewhere, personnel levels at the plant likely would not be affected. “One of the things that we are dealing with now is what else do we do with Toledo that fulfills our commitment to the city and to Ohio. I don’t have a doubt that there will be zero impact on head count and employment levels and anything else.”
Jeep fans preparing to pass out pitchforks and light torches should remember that the XJ Cherokee, which was also assembled in Toledo, managed to transcend its unibody construction and earn the respect of off-road types around the globe, spurring a still-thriving aftermarket in the process.
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Report: Next Jeep Wrangler Keeps Solid Axles, Loses Folding Windshield




Among the key design features of the Jeep Wrangler, we’d say the solid-axle suspension is several orders of magnitude more important than the cool-but-perhaps-not-critical folding windshield. To that end, a recent Automotive News report should be mostly good news for the Jeep faithful.
The report states that the Wrangler will keep its solid front and rear axles when the vehicle is redesigned for the 2017 model year. That will have true believers breathing a sigh of relief, as Jeep had already ditched the solid axles in its other models.
The Grand Cherokee switched to an independent front suspension with the 2005 redesign and lost its solid rear axle with the arrival of the current generation, for 2011. Meanwhile, Jeep dropped the solid front axle in the transition from the XJ Cherokee to the Liberty and then went to a four-wheel independent setup when the Liberty was replaced with the new Cherokee.
Although the solid axles stay on, weight savings and improved fuel economy are major goals for the next-generation Wrangler—not a bad idea, given the current model’s 17/21 mpg EPA ratings. To that end, the new Jeep will get an aluminum body; a smaller, turbocharged engine in place of the current 3.7-liter V-6; and an upgrade to an eight-speed automatic.
The good news on the axle front is tempered, however, by word that the Wrangler will lose its upright, folding windshield in favor of a fixed unit with greater rake. While it’s true that many Jeep owners probably don’t even know that their windshield can be folded down—or wouldn’t know how to do it—the folded-windshield driving experience is one of the things that makes the Wrangler unique. It’s up there with the removable doors and the manual convertible top—both of which had better stick around.
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2017 Jeep Wrangler Spy Photos: We Get a Peek Underneath

More of the same, and that's good.


What It Is: A current-generation, four-door Jeep Wrangler Unlimited—or at least that’s what the engineering team driving it wants you to think. Instead, this is in all likelihood an early test mule for the next-generation Wrangler, which is due out in a year or so as a 2017 model. This Wrangler’s bodywork might be unchanged from ordinary Wranglers’ duds, but it is hiding chassis, suspension, and possibly even body enhancements that will appear on the new model.
Why It Matters: Few modern vehicles have the iconic status of the Wrangler, and thus any clean-sheet redesign is approached with a mixture of reverence and skepticism. The fanboys all want to know if Jeep will give up on the Wrangler’s tried-and-true formula—rugged ladder frame, proper four-wheel drive with low range, and a pair of solid axles—while the rest of the world wonders how Jeep can stick to its guns while also embracing modern fuel-economy realities. We’ve ascertained that the new Wrangler won’t be the radical departure the hard-core fans feared, as it will keep its solid front and rear axles, four-wheel drive, and body-on-frame construction. However, that body could be at least partially rendered from aluminum, and you can bet the stout frame will get stronger yet lighter. So far the only Wrangler feature to fall on its sword is the fold-down windshield, a novelty that, it’s suggested, goes unnoticed by all but the most fervent Jeep owners.



Platform: These spy photos give us our first good look underneath the next Wrangler—literally, as our intrepid spy actually crawled under a prototype. Unfortunately, the photographer was only able to gain a peek at the Wrangler’s aft end, but from what we can see, the SUV uses new axles, new suspension geometry with a relocated lateral link, and new exhaust bits.

Otherwise, the Wrangler’s underbody situation is markedly familiar, with coil-suspended Dana axles at each end—the rear axle, currently a Dana 44 piece, is unmarked and features a new differential casing we haven’t seen before but we suspect is still a Dana model—and a boxed frame. We’ve heard some rumors of a longer wheelbase being part of the next Wrangler’s plan, with most of the speculation driven by the prototypes’ vertical strip between the front fenders and the base of the windshield. Indeed, this apparent body modification is present on the prototypes pictured here, but close visual comparisons between them and the current Wrangler indicate no change in wheelbase. Just look at the running boards, which fit nicely—and would be a curious component to modify for an engineering mule. Our guess? The strip is there to throw people off; of what, we aren’t sure, although it is possible that Jeep’s engineers are taking a page out of Ford’s development handbook and have built a current Wrangler body out of aluminum for testing and are hiding it in plain sight.
Powertrain: Besides having learned that Jeep is working to ensure Chrysler’s ZF-sourced eight-speed automatic fits in the new Wrangler (it doesn’t fit in today’s model), most of the SUV’s underhood secrets remain just that. Depending on how much weight Jeep is able to remove from the Wrangler, the SUV could perhaps utilize a four-cylinder as it has in the past, but the most likely engine remains the updated version of today’s Pentastar V-6. A diesel four-cylinder could make the grade, and it should, given how a torque-rich but efficient diesel and a blunt, un-aerodynamic SUV with off-road aspirations are a great match. Four-wheel drive will be standard, but you already knew that.
Competition: Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Subaru Forester, Toyota Tacoma.
Estimated Arrival and Price: The next Wrangler is said to be making a late-2016 debut; the Toledo factory where today’s Wrangler is built is already retooling for the next-gen version, as well as a new Wrangler-based pickup. With demand for the Wrangler often outstripping supply, and the anticipated increase in aluminum use, Jeep could name its price when it comes to the new one, but a starting MSRP near today’s $25,000 mark is likely.
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2018 Jeep Wrangler to have mild hybrid & hybrid electric variants


Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' updated business plan has revealed some new details about the next-generation Jeep Wrangler.


According to the automaker, the 2018 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited will be offered with "next gen" powertrains. The company declined to go into specifics but promised to introduce new "global small and medium engine architectures" later this year.


While FCA was quite about the Wrangler's petrol engine, the company confirms plans for an assortment of eco-friendly variants including a mild hybrid and a hybrid electric vehicle. There will also be a diesel-powered variant and it could be offered in the United States for the first time.
In related news, FCA confirmed the next-generation Ram 1500 will receive new engines and a mild hybrid variant. The company declined to say when the model will be introduced but Ram's original five-year plan called for a "major update" in 2017.


Both the Jeep Wrangler and Ram 1500 are set to see a "significant weight reduction" thanks to the extensive use of high-strength steel and aluminum. The models will also be equipped with "active aero systems" which will likely include an active shutter grille. FCA also hinted the models will have an electric power steering system and an axle disconnect system on four-wheel drive variants.
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Here's Our First Look At The Next Jeep Wrangler Grille







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The Jeep Wrangler’s seven-slatted grille is one of the most famous car-faces on the road. With a new design on the horizon, we’re all wondering how much Jeep is going to mess with it. New spy shots give us some insight.


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JL Wrangler Forums got a whole gallery of this just slightly obscured next-gen Wrangler grille as spotted on a prototype test mule in Death Valley. The vehicle would have been undergoing heat-resilience testing there, which involves figuring out how well air flows through the car’s new face.
As we’ve been speculating, it looks like the design is more evolutionary than revolutionary. Makes sense– Jeep sells something like 200,000 Wranglers a year and it’s not because they’re comfortable or fuel efficient. That “Jeep” face has been a universally loved touchstone for their brand for years, even if they borrowed the original design.

Looking at the new styling in these photos, the only discernible difference I’m seeing is a more pronounced inward kink at the top half of the bars. That would suggest the whole front of the Wrangler is a little more rear-swept, but I tried to overlay the new design on the current face to give us a general idea of what the new Wrangler might look like without camouflage.

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The Wrangler YJ of the late 1980's and early 90's (square headlights) actually had a similar vibe, though you may remember that the slats on that Jeep were much skinnier and closer together.





Of course these prototype parts we’re seeing in these spy shots may change before the design is finalized, so in case any of Jeep’s artists are reading the comments– what do you think?
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2018 Jeep Wrangler will have an aluminum hood and doors, leaked memo says




Earlier this year, FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne revealed that 2018 Jeep Wrangler would feature a heavy dose of aluminum, though he didn't specify how. Now, JL Wrangler Forumssays the Wrangler will use the material for the hood and the doors, citing an internal bulletin from aluminum supplier Alcoa.

According to the forum, the company says the next-gen Wrangler will utilize Aloca's C6A1 (an internal name) high form alloy. The SUV will also get 6022 and A951 from Alcoa that will be used on the SUV's front and rear doors, as well as for the hood.

Alcoa's C6A1 is the company's new high form alloy, while its 6022 alloy sheet can be found on things like a car's hood, door, or closure panels. Alcoa's A951 is the company's pre-treatment aluminum sheet bonding technology that it uses on automobiles.
"A team in the Farmington Hills (Michigan, USA) Aerospace and Automotive Products group is leading a new profitable growth opportunity with the 2018 Jeep Wrangler program. The next generation Jeep becomes the first to utilize our C6A1 high form alloy; we are currently the only supplier of this high form product.

Alcoa will also supply 6022 and A951, including front and rear door inners, hood outer and inner."
As Marchionne pointed out earlier this year, the 2018 Wrangler won't be made entirely out of aluminum. So Alcoa's contribution to the upcoming SUV's doors and hood could be the only components that use the lightweight metal – or Jeep could be using another aluminum supplier for other parts.

Large changes lie ahead for the 2018 Wrangler, which include a pickup version, new engines, and aluminum. But we do know that the next Wrangler is that it will be built in Toledo, OH, as FCA announced plans to spend $1.05 billion to retool the Wrangler factory, while also adding another site in Illinois earlier this year.
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I went and looked at a wrangler unlimited this weekend. I cannot believe the price they command for what they are.
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I went and looked at a wrangler unlimited this weekend. I cannot believe the price they command for what they are.
They're ridiculously expensive for what they are. There are SUV's that offer 4WD and more interior room for much cheaper. There are trucks that offer just as much interior room and a bed and towing capabilities for the same price. And they offer terrible gas mileage to boot.

They are a niche market and the fan base drives alone drives the cost.
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They're ridiculously expensive for what they are. There are SUV's that offer 4WD and more interior room for much cheaper. There are trucks that offer just as much interior room and a bed and towing capabilities for the same price. And they offer terrible gas mileage to boot.

They are a niche market and the fan base drives alone drives the cost.
I 100% agree. My wife is wanting to get a car next so she says I should get an SUV or truck. I want something still fun and have wanted a convertible, so I thought this may kill two birds with one stone.

It may have got put on hold for a few months...just had a real shitty 24 hours.
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I've never understood why people think new Wranglers are expensive. You can get brand new base Sports for $22k and unlimiteds for 2-3k more. Just because some dealers choose to mark up models with a $200 lift, ugly black wheels and 35's from China, doesn't mean they are all expensive for what they are. I don't think there is any SUV with low range 4x4 and a 300hp V6 for even close to what these cost. Not to mention a removable top and doors. I believe the resale is also higher than any other vehicle sold, worth something like 98% of the original purchase price after a year. If you bought one at invoice, you'd probably make money on it after a year as everyone who I know that has bought a JK has paid at or above MSRP because they didn't know where to look.
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I've never understood why people think new Wranglers are expensive. You can get brand new base Sports for $22k and unlimiteds for 2-3k more. Just because some dealers choose to mark up models with a $200 lift, ugly black wheels and 35's from China, doesn't mean they are all expensive for what they are. I don't think there is any SUV with low range 4x4 and a 300hp V6 for even close to what these cost. Not to mention a removable top and doors. I believe the resale is also higher than any other vehicle sold, worth something like 98% of the original purchase price after a year. If you bought one at invoice, you'd probably make money on it after a year as everyone who I know that has bought a JK has paid at or above MSRP because they didn't know where to look.

A new wrangler unlimited Sahara/Rubicon Edition can run upwards of $40-50K.

Jeep sells a pretty decent amount of these.
They are the hot product to own right now as well.
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I've never understood why people think new Wranglers are expensive. You can get brand new base Sports for $22k and unlimiteds for 2-3k more. Just because some dealers choose to mark up models with a $200 lift, ugly black wheels and 35's from China, doesn't mean they are all expensive for what they are. I don't think there is any SUV with low range 4x4 and a 300hp V6 for even close to what these cost. Not to mention a removable top and doors. I believe the resale is also higher than any other vehicle sold, worth something like 98% of the original purchase price after a year. If you bought one at invoice, you'd probably make money on it after a year as everyone who I know that has bought a JK has paid at or above MSRP because they didn't know where to look.
I think there are two main reasons - I cannot think of another vehicle that at nearly $30k, I may have to roll up my own window. Certain things just seem standard now days, even on the cheapest cars.

The second is that the basics of what they do offer, hasn't changed in quite a few years. 4x4, removable top, etc. and a premium is paid for it. You can spend close to $40k for a vehicle that is equipped like significantly cheaper car, but with a removable roof. Also, some of the basic components (taillights, headlights, door handles, etc.,) don't seem like something that could compare in cost to your average car.

I get the utility and uniqueness of it, which is cool, I just don't see the cost.

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These images come from a purported Jeep dealer meeting and show a poster detailing the brand's future lineup. Along with a look at the range-topping Grand Wagoneer, we can see the next-generation Wrangler, code-named JL, and its updated design front and rear.

To the surprise of no one, the Wrangler will keep its seven-slot grille and round headlights. To those it adds some modern updates, like the LED light bars on the leading edge of the front fenders. (Given the 2017 LED headlight upgrade, we can bet the low- and high-beams also will use LED tech.) The taillights get an X design like those on the Renegade crossover. The overall shape seems to be a bit more tapered and smoothed, which is most evident in the shape of the sides of the windshield. We know from spy photos that the windshield has been laid back more, likely leading to improved aerodynamics and reduced fuel consumption.

As a refresher, we expect the 2018 Wrangler to again come in two-door and Unlimited four-door models. It will have at least one gas engine, including a new turbocharged Hurricane four-cylinder, as well as a diesel option. Most if not all of the engines will be paired with a nine-speed automatic transmission, and a manual is likely to be retained on at least some models. A pickup version has also been confirmed. The new Wrangler is likely to be shown in early 2017, possibly at the Detroit auto show in January.
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EXCLUSIVE! RUMOR: When The All-New, 2018 Jeep Wrangler Hits Showrooms There Will Be A SURPRISE...





Get ready, Spies.

This one's hot off the figurative press.

According to sources, we've been informed of an interesting move that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) will be making when the all-new, 2018 Jeep Wrangler makes its showroom debut. This is what we've been told.

When the 2018 model year Wrangler comes out, Jeep will continue building the last-gen Wrangler in the leftover space at the manufacturer's Toledo plant. That way, when Jeep loyalists walk into their local showroom there will essentially be two flavors of the Wrangler: The all-new Wrangler with the new look/feel and technology, and the old-school Wrangler that's back-to-basics.

At first when I heard this I thought it was silly. But, Agent 001 rewinded on me and shed some light on the matter. This would actually be a move from the company's playbook when it launched the all-new Grand Cherokee. Jeep, at the time, kept the Cherokee and dubbed it the Cherokee Classic. It was available at a much lower price point and kept the old technology. And the Cherokee Classic sold in droves.

That said, Spies, what do you make of this rumor? Would you rather have the all-new, 2018 MY Wrangler or the "classic?"
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2018 Jeep Wrangler Possibly Exposed on a Forum Ahead of Official Debut




If you assume a small batch of photos that landed on a Jeep Wrangler online forum today are legit, meet the all-new, fully redesigned 2018 Jeep Wrangler. As we ascertained from spy photos of the new Wrangler, the vehicle seen here appears to be a faithful rendition of the traditional Jeep profile. Can you spot the minor changes compared with the current JK-generation Wrangler?
Posted to JL Wrangler Forums by user FS90, these images are a little on the grainy side. This, purportedly, is the 2018 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, the top dog of the Wrangler lineup. It’s unclear where the black-and-white images came from, but site admins of the JL Wrangler Forums believe they’re legit. Absent our independent confirmation of the images’ source, we remain skeptical, although the vehicle they portray seems to fit what we expect from the 2018 Wrangler.
The front grille seen here still features Jeep’s traditional round headlights, but they squeeze into the edges of the outer grille slots, a feature last seen on the Jeep CJ that preceded the Wrangler and ended production in 1986. The upper portion of the grille leans back in a kink, a design flair found on the original YJ-generation Wrangler of 1987 to 1995 that was softened for the TJ generation of ’97–’06 and disappeared entirely on the flat-faced JK that made its debut in 2007.

As folks on JL Wrangler Forums have pointed out, the photos depict a fold-down windshield, as evidenced by the hinges at the bottom edge of the windshield frame. This model seems to have a flatter windscreen than the curved item on the current Wrangler, although it could be the image quality playing tricks; the glass is definitely more steeply raked, however. This four-door maintains the general shape and size of the current model’s doors, with slightly redesigned exposed hinges and a new horizontal character line running the length of the passenger compartment. A new pocket-style vent sits just behind the front wheels, presumably to help evacuate air from the Wrangler’s signature open-to-the-front fenders and lessen their aerodynamic drag.


The second image shows the same purported four-door Wrangler Unlimited with fully removable roof and doors, as well as a roll bar similar to that on the current model. The taillights feature a more wraparound design than today’s units, and while this slightly fuzzy image does not show a spare tire, the inset in the bumper seems to indicate that this vehicle retains the Wrangler’s classic tailgate-mounted spare.

Compare the alleged 2018 Wrangler’s design with the 2017 model shown above, and you might notice subtle changes. The rig shown in these black-and-white photos doesn’t stray too far from the familiar design of the wildly successful JK-generation Wrangler, but there are flourishes that freshen and modernize the design. Given everything we’ve heard so far about the all-new Wrangler, we expect it will maintain the off-road capabilities of the current model while dramatically improving its on-road manners, fuel efficiency, and comfort. We can’t wait to see, and drive, the finished product—and the long-promised Wrangler pickup truck that will be based on it.
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literally looks exactly the same.

unless there are huge advancements power train wise, interior wise, and usage of weight saving materials... wtf?

I mean they will sell a shit ton regardless because there is no real competitor for it.
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literally looks exactly the same.

unless there are huge advancements power train wise, interior wise, and usage of weight saving materials... wtf?

I mean they will sell a shit ton regardless because there is no real competitor for it.
Well if they use extensive aluminum, it'll perform better all the way around.
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Well if they use extensive aluminum, it'll perform better all the way around.
true... but it needs a powertrain overhaul and an interior revamp.
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true... but it needs a powertrain overhaul and an interior revamp.
It will get it. The interior and auto trans is the oldest in their lineup. I imagine it will be inline with the grand Cherokee, minus the hemi plus a six speed manual.
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It will get it. The interior and auto trans is the oldest in their lineup. I imagine it will be inline with the grand Cherokee, minus the hemi plus a six speed manual.
Nope, it will have an Auto not manual.
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Yep the biggest issue I hear with owners: body shop, sales, etc is the issues with poor interior, poor mpg, poor transmission, and the windshields breaking randomly.

Lots of road noise as well.

But obviously a Jeep isn't a Cadillac or Lexus for luxury.
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I've never understood why people think new Wranglers are expensive. You can get brand new base Sports for $22k and unlimiteds for 2-3k more. Just because some dealers choose to mark up models with a $200 lift, ugly black wheels and 35's from China, doesn't mean they are all expensive for what they are. I don't think there is any SUV with low range 4x4 and a 300hp V6 for even close to what these cost. Not to mention a removable top and doors. I believe the resale is also higher than any other vehicle sold, worth something like 98% of the original purchase price after a year. If you bought one at invoice, you'd probably make money on it after a year as everyone who I know that has bought a JK has paid at or above MSRP because they didn't know where to look.
You are grossly misinformed...
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This Is Pretty Much The 2018 Jeep Wrangler





Jeep refused to comment on whether or not the photos Jeep Wrangler forum, JL Wrangler Forums, published yesterday depicted the actual 2018 Jeep Wrangler, but they looked promising. These renderings look even more so.

The forum says that the new Wrangler will have a fully removable roof and doors, which is a good sign! These renderings depict an artist’s imagination of what that would look like.
It also looks a lot like this thing we saw today.







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You are grossly misinformed...
When I posted that 6 months ago there were multiple new 2016 2dr models on autotrader (from a Jeep dealer in KS) for $22k and 4 dr models were 24-25k. They are about 1k higher for 2017s when I just looked and they will probably drop down further as the year goes on and rebates are offered. Further, MSRP on 2016s was 23k/27k respectively. So unless you buy vehicles for what's on the sticker, knocking one to two grand off the price of a new, especially leftover vehicle is well within the realm of normal. But go on about that gross misinformation...
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When I posted that 6 months ago there were multiple new 2016 2dr models on autotrader (from a Jeep dealer in KS) for $22k and 4 dr models were 24-25k. They are about 1k higher for 2017s when I just looked and they will probably drop down further as the year goes on and rebates are offered. Further, MSRP on 2016s was 23k/27k respectively. So unless you buy vehicles for what's on the sticker, knocking one to two grand off the price of a new, especially leftover vehicle is well within the realm of normal. But go on about that gross misinformation...
you realize he runs a dealership right?

No wrangler with 4 doors, auto and actual real options is had for usually less than 28-32k.

Higher miles as well.

Guys rebuild them here in wichita and sell them rebuilt for $25-30k.
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