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I guess I don't see the difference between pushing a button to shift gears or manually shifting gears. You are still controlling when gears change.
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You ever owned a manual?
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I guess I don't see the difference between pushing a button to shift gears or manually shifting gears. You are still controlling when gears change.
You can do fun things with a clutch that you can't do with an automatic or DCT. Also, there's something more... intimate? about driving stick.
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I guess I don't see the difference between pushing a button to shift gears or manually shifting gears. You are still controlling when gears change.
Because you're not shifting. Pushing a button just tells the car when to shift, if the car allows the shift. The actual shift is not done by a human. That part of driving has been removed. It's partial autonomous driving.
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It purely depends on what I want in a car. If I want to have some fun driving, I prefer a manual. If I want to go as fast as possible, especially drag racing - automatic all the way. The newer autos can shift faster than I could ever dream of doing.
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You can do fun things with a clutch that you can't do with an automatic or DCT. Also, there's something more... intimate? about driving stick.
There are days I miss a manual. Especially when taking a corner and you're the only one around. A little rev/clutch stab to break the rear tires loose for a little power slide. Mmmmm, that'll make anyone smile.
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It purely depends on what I want in a car. If I want to have some fun driving, I prefer a manual. If I want to go as fast as possible, especially drag racing - automatic all the way. The newer autos can shift faster than I could ever dream of doing.

If I want to be quicker, I'll add more power.


Drag racing an auto is great for consistency and braket racing and such.


Nothing beats rowing the gears and a no-lift shift!
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I wasn't as big of a fan of autos until I put a good size stall converter in one. That makes them a fucking blast.
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I guess I don't see the difference between pushing a button to shift gears or manually shifting gears. You are still controlling when gears change.
I've had both paddles and manuals. I much prefer manuals and there is a huge difference in the way the cars drive. IMO, you can't replace that connection of sliding the tranny into gear, rowing the gears, and ripping on it and feeling all the torque shift, especially if you're driving a quality manual with a direct connection (i.e., not cable-driven shifters).

Yes, today's automatics are faster/quicker than the manuals. If I had a track only car, I'd get the auto for sure. A street car that might see some track fun, manual EVERYDAY. However, get on most any automotive forum and take note of how many guys wished they got the manual and how hardly anyone wishes they got the automatic.

Also, when people see a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Porsche, Lambo, etc., and look in the interior they see a manual, they're like "Fuck yeah!". When they see an automatic, the response is usually, "Oh. Ok.".

Like JWD said, if I want to go quicker/faster, I'll add power.

I can't help but think another reason automakers aren't doing manuals anymore is to reduce the potential for warranty repairs associated with manuals and to maintain more control of the car to keep the driver from doing stupid things like money shifts. Having only automatics available greatly reduces overhead costs for development plus they've got way more control and manipulating power if motor/tranny temps get too high, etc. It's not all about Ring times.

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Anyone who says... "I'll add more power to go faster" aren't fast. At the drag strip an auto will solidly out perform manual trans by a large large margin on high horsepower vehicles. I'm talking over half a second. You'd have to add insane amounts of power to compete with that.

Manuals are for sub 600rwhp cars that are used outside of drag racing for fun spirited driving on all courses be it drag or open track.

I love a manual trans car, one of my Cobra's is a manual and I love it. The other has a th400, for the sole goal of going faster. Manual's impress old men and girls in highschool, auto's win races.
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Anyone who says... "I'll add more power to go faster" aren't fast. At the drag strip an auto will solidly out perform manual trans by a large large margin on high horsepower vehicles. I'm talking over half a second. You'd have to add insane amounts of power to compete with that.

Manuals are for sub 600rwhp cars that are used outside of drag racing for fun spirited driving on all courses be it drag or open track.

I love a manual trans car, one of my Cobra's is a manual and I love it. The other has a th400, for the sole goal of going faster. Manual's impress old men and girls in highschool, auto's win races.
Like I said, if you're racing competitively, automatics are the way to go. Driving enjoyment? Manual every time. When I was shopping for M235s, dealers only stocked automatics (with that stellar ZF 8AT) so that's all I could drive. Then my ordered 6MT showed up. They're like two completely different cars. The 8AT is really good at what it does and there's a correct gear for every situation. There's no thinking, no skill, no foot work. Just mash it and let it do its thing or you can manage the shifts. I get why guys are amazed when they drive a well sorted automatic/DCT. But read the forums and talk to the owners. The excitement wears off and the cars get boring more so than those that bought the manuals. You constantly read on the BMW/Audi/VW forums about guys ordering new cars and getting the manual "this go around" because the DCT/DSG/8AT just got boring after some time.
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Anyone who says... "I'll add more power to go faster" aren't fast. At the drag strip an auto will solidly out perform manual trans by a large large margin on high horsepower vehicles. I'm talking over half a second. You'd have to add insane amounts of power to compete with that.

Manuals are for sub 600rwhp cars that are used outside of drag racing for fun spirited driving on all courses be it drag or open track.

I love a manual trans car, one of my Cobra's is a manual and I love it. The other has a th400, for the sole goal of going faster. Manual's impress old men and girls in highschool, auto's win races.

TIL you need to add insane amounts of power to make up a half second of ET.


GTFO bro.

If you are running in an 8.50 index don't tell me you can't run that in a manual.

Nobody is trying to say that a manual is quicker than an auto.


Edit: I'll also add that my comment wasn't directed towards full-blown drag cars. I was just saying that if my only hang-up with a manual on a purchase of a stock car was because the autos would outrun it I'd just mod the car to make up the difference.
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TIL you need to add insane amounts of power to make up a half second of ET.


GTFO bro.

If you are running in an 8.50 index don't tell me you can't run that in a manual.

Nobody is trying to say that a manual is quicker than an auto.


Edit: I'll also add that my comment wasn't directed towards full-blown drag cars. I was just saying that if my only hang-up with a manual on a purchase of a stock car was because the autos would outrun it I'd just mod the car to make up the difference.
You are the old man mentioned at the end of my post.
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Not done by GM. They wouldn't just reveal a car this way if it was the real deal

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As stated, that's not a GM vehicle. It looks cool though!
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The mid-engine Chevy Corvette and C7 ZR1, together at last
















2017 Corvette

























There are two new super Vettes on the way: a crazier version of the current C7 we believe will revive the ZR1 name and the long-rumored mid-engine Corvette. These new spy photos show the two of them side by side undergoing testing, and they give a good look at what's the same and what's not quite the same between them.

We'll start with the similarities. Somewhat surprisingly, they look nearly identical from the A-pillar to the B-pillar. The mid-engine car, which might be considered a C8 or an offshoot of the C7, has what appears to be the same A-pillar rake, windshield, roof panel, side windows, side mirrors, and even the C7 taillights peeking out under the vinyl covers. This could just be a result of Chevy using a current car as the basis for the mid-engine test mule, but to us it looks a lot more finished than something normally cobbled together. That puts a lot more legitimacy behind the theory the mid-engine "Zora" will be a sort of last hurrah for the C7.

And then there's what's different. The front end of the mid-engine car is of course much shorter and the rear is extended – that's what happens when the engine swaps ends. It's a little tough to see under all of the camouflage, but the front shortening is most evident if you compare the overhangs and also where the front wheel is in relation to the A-pillar. On the mid-engine car, there's basically just enough body to cover the wheels, just as it should be.

The mid-engine Vette's unique cooling needs are also made apparent here by the big slots aft of the doors. The door skins also appear to have been resculpted to route airflow – and in this case some nice snowballs – to those intakes.

We expect the C7 ZR1 to show up as a 2018 model, with the mid-engine C7/8 arriving a year or two down the line. With all this awesomeness on the way, it's hard to imagine what could come after these.
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If chevy decides to make a Ford GT type competitor, at least name it something else than "Corvette".


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Is there a price/hp for the mid engine?
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Not really, its still all speculation. Same for the ZR1.
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On the whole auto-manual debate, I had a Camaro SS rental with the new 8 speed auto and it was pretty dope. I'd have a hard time getting a manual over one.

Rev-match downshifting and such was fun on the spirited driving I did.
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Rev-match downshifting and such was fun on the spirited driving I did.
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On the whole auto-manual debate, I had a Camaro SS rental with the new 8 speed auto and it was pretty dope. I'd have a hard time getting a manual over one.

Rev-match downshifting and such was fun on the spirited driving I did.
It gets boring after a few months. Fast and quicker? Yes. More fun to drive overall? Ehhhhh. If you're going to be competing in the car for money, get the auto. Everything else short of missing a left leg, choose the man pedal option.
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