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I've tried so hard to understand what the fuck a bitcoin really is that it's blown my mind. I have read (probably the wrong articles) but is there a TL;DR function somewhere. Like a "it's simply this" that would bring me up to speed?
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I've tried so hard to understand what the fuck a bitcoin really is that it's blown my mind. I have read (probably the wrong articles) but is there a TL;DR function somewhere. Like a "it's simply this" that would bring me up to speed?

Here's a FAQ:

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According to the FAQ, the maximum number of bitcoins the protocol allows for is 21 million.

According to blockchain, the current number of total bitcoins in circulation is just under 12 million.

So there are obviously a lot of coins left to be mined. It sounds like the issue is exponential growth of the hash algorithm or whatever as new coins are mined. Early coins came quickly, new coins now take a long time, and new coins in the future will take even longer.
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According to the FAQ, the maximum number of bitcoins the protocol allows for is 21 million.

According to blockchain, the current number of total bitcoins in circulation is just under 12 million.

So there are obviously a lot of coins left to be mined. It sounds like the issue is exponential growth of the hash algorithm or whatever as new coins are mined. Early coins came quickly, new coins now take a long time, and new coins in the future will take even longer.
From my understanding, the coins currently go out 8 decimal places and could be changed to go out farther. My mind is telling me that equals more than 21 million "coins". Hard to explain what my mind is processing but the way it's worded makes me believe that for now, lol.
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From my understanding, the coins currently go out 8 decimal places and could be changed to go out farther. My mind is telling me that equals more than 21 million "coins". Hard to explain what my mind is processing but the way it's worded makes me believe that for now, lol.
Yep just like pennies vs. dollars, but bitcoins have more decimal places to work with.

If one bitcoin was worth $1 there wouldn't be as much of a need to divide them up so much. But there are far fewer bitcoins than dollars, and a cap on the total number of coins that can exist.
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According to the FAQ, the maximum number of bitcoins the protocol allows for is 21 million.

According to blockchain, the current number of total bitcoins in circulation is just under 12 million.

So there are obviously a lot of coins left to be mined. It sounds like the issue is exponential growth of the hash algorithm or whatever as new coins are mined. Early coins came quickly, new coins now take a long time, and new coins in the future will take even longer.
Your statement is half right. Early miners earned coins faster because there was less competition on the network.

Bitcoins are generated at the exact same rate today as they were on the very first day, despite the humongous amount of extra hashing power on the network. Bitcoin was designed to produce one block every 10 minutes. To keep this generation rate predictable and steady, they added a variable called difficulty. Difficulty adds complexity to the algorithm and therefore it makes solving blocks harder and take longer (individually). However, while individual miners work at a slower rate, collectively the generation rate is unchanged.
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I got my BFL Jalapeño back in July and mined in it until August... when I sold it for $1300 on eBay. Not bad for something I paid $150 for. I now have about $3500 in bitcoin, and that number goes up every day.

If you're interested in mining but don't want to buy hardware at home, I suggest https://cex.io/r/0/spikejnz/0/. I have 42 GH/s on there right now, and I reinvest all my earnings in hashing power. The price they are traded at fluctuates daily, so I could realistically sell my holdings to someone else for what I paid for them.
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Okay, so you "mine" for these strings of code that were generated how? I feel like there is one guy who created all of this that is sitting back and has a control for it all. I mean, if he created it, couldn't he control it at some point?

I'm with upprman, it really is confusing.
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Okay, so you "mine" for these strings of code that were generated how? I feel like there is one guy who created all of this that is sitting back and has a control for it all. I mean, if he created it, couldn't he control it at some point?

I'm with upprman, it really is confusing.
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Okay, so you "mine" for these strings of code that were generated how? I feel like there is one guy who created all of this that is sitting back and has a control for it all. I mean, if he created it, couldn't he control it at some point?

I'm with upprman, it really is confusing.
Nope. Bitcoin is completely open source and has been verified over and over and over. The only way to exploit Bitcoin is to control 51% of the hashing power on the network. That would allow you to force a hard-fork in the blockchain, reversing some transactions and erasing others. It could also allow you to "double-spend" a bitcoin and send it to two individuals. However, in doing so you would completely undermine the trust in the system, and would reduce confidence in BTC...and therefore its value. There is no financial gain to be made in doing so.
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Nope. Bitcoin is completely open source and has been verified over and over and over. The only way to exploit Bitcoin is to control 51% of the hashing power on the network. That would allow you to force a hard-fork in the blockchain, reversing some transactions and erasing others. It could also allow you to "double-spend" a bitcoin and send it to two individuals. However, in doing so you would completely undermine the trust in the system, and would reduce confidence in BTC...and therefore its value. There is no financial gain to be made in doing so.
But these codes that translate in to bit coins, where did they come from and how has someone not been able to write a code that finds them quicker? Just seems crazy to me that with all of the people working on it that someone hasn't found a way to just reel them in.
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as for these businesses and such that are now "accepting bitcoin" as payment, how does that translate into real money? Are they doing it for tax evasion purposes?

Eventually it's going to get shut down. If places start accepting this as payment, it will completely demolish the Dollar, Right?

I guess I just don't see the point in getting these bitcoins. Is it considered an "investment"? Buy low, sell high kind of deal?
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There is a guy here at work that mines. I think he has a pretty killer machine set up that is dedicated to the process.
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There is a guy here at work that mines. I think he has a pretty killer machine set up that is dedicated to the process.
I'd like to see how much he has spent on equipment vs. production of bitcoins. Like, what kind of profit he has made.

Obviously it's not an easy thing to do or everyone would get "free money"
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Think of bitcoin as a metal chain. The individual links have no value, but linked together they create something useful. However instead of identical objects, bitcoin blocks are a unique set of numbers that are part of a larger chain if numbers, akin to pi. Miners are working to solve the next numbers in the sequence.

Someone had not been able to find a software solution to stored up solving problems because of the difficulty variable I described earlier. The system is self-correcting in that if bitcoins begin to generate at an unpredictable rate, difficulty is increased to show it down. The only way to speed up solving the sequence is to increase hardware rate. However the network quickly recovers and slows production. The only way to stay ahead is to have better and more powerful hardware than the majority of users.



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as for these businesses and such that are now "accepting bitcoin" as payment, how does that translate into real money? Are they doing it for tax evasion purposes?

Eventually it's going to get shut down. If places start accepting this as payment, it will completely demolish the Dollar, Right?

I guess I just don't see the point in getting these bitcoins. Is it considered an "investment"? Buy low, sell high kind of deal?

Nope, income if income. You have to pay tax regardless of where it comes from. It's not going to get shut down. If it weren't legitimate, banks wouldn't be so worried worried and big name like the Winklevoss Twins wouldn't have invested over 11 million in it.


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I'd like to see how much he has spent on equipment vs. production of bitcoins. Like, what kind of profit he has made.

Obviously it's not an easy thing to do or everyone would get "free money"
Is an expensive investment, but it more than pays off. Is not for the hobbiest anymore though.

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I'm still confused at what gives the bitcoin its value.
Trust in the currency itself.

Which is why I don't understand when people say bitcoin is not a fiat currency. With dollars we put trust in the government / federal reserve. With bitcoins we put trust in the p2p network and the encryption.
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Which is why I don't understand when people say bitcoin is not a fiat currency. With dollars we put trust in the government / federal reserve. With bitcoins we put trust in the p2p network and the encryption.
I'm not sure I could truly trust "black market" currency. Even if I did that could still technically be wiped out of existence in a swift sweep. Too risky of an investment IMO.
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I'm not sure I could truly trust "black market" currency. Even if I did that could still technically be wiped out of existence in a swift sweep. Too risky of an investment IMO.
Once you do a lot of reading, you'll see it's not as big a risk as people think.
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Ohh well, it's just data.
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