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I was wondering about that. Sorta sounded like a supercharger, but then I heard the turbo... That makes sense it's an electric engine. The way of the future, boys!

On another note, I'm glad that it's not all batmobile-y looking like the concept. The shape of that test car is simple but attractive.. I like it.
I'm on the other side of that coin. I loved the concept and the pics that were put out. I have a feeling I will be disappoint and it will likely look like a softer, rounder Z4.
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I'm on the other side of that coin. I loved the concept and the pics that were put out. I have a feeling I will be disappoint and it will likely look like a softer, rounder Z4.
I feel like it's more in the spirit of the Supra to not make it some wacky radical super car batmobile looking thing. The concepts look cool, but I don't think it should wear the Supra name. Also, radical styling would help them justify a larger price tag, I'm sure.
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I feel like it's more in the spirit of the Supra to not make it some wacky radical super car batmobile looking thing. The concepts look cool, but I don't think it should wear the Supra name. Also, radical styling would help them justify a larger price tag, I'm sure.
Oh, you're gonna pay.

My guess is if it has 400hp, you're paying in the 60s, minimum.
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Oh, you're gonna pay.

My guess is if it has 400hp, you're paying in the 60s, minimum.
Oh ya. It ain't gonna be cheap!
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Oh, you're gonna pay.

My guess is if it has 400hp, you're paying in the 60s, minimum.
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Oh ya. It ain't gonna be cheap!
That's a shame, because we could really use an import that is actually capable of going up against the new Mustang and Camaro while actually competing on price as well. A Supra in the upper $30's to high $40's with options and 400hp would sell like hot cakes.
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That's a shame, because we could really use an import that is actually capable of going up against the new Mustang and Camaro while actually competing on price as well. A Supra in the upper $30's to high $40's with options and 400hp would sell like hot cakes.
Well yes, for sure it would.

But the last Supra was that much, so I don't see them keeping it at that constant price.
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Well yes, for sure it would.

But the last Supra was that much, so I don't see them keeping it at that constant price.


in 1998, the SVT Cobra was 5 grand less than a base model N/A Supra. 15 less than a Supra Turbo.

I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the new, optioned out Supras get close to the 6 figure mark.
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in 1998, the SVT Cobra was 5 grand less than a base model N/A Supra. 15 less than a Supra Turbo.

I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the new, optioned out Supras get close to the 6 figure mark.
For that price, they better be incredible when it comes to performance, fit and finish, and be pretty damned exclusive.
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For that price, they better be incredible when it comes to performance, fit and finish, and be pretty damned exclusive.
My guess is that it will offer slightly better performance than the MKIV, cost at least $25-30k higher (for the Toyota) and be comparable to the performance of a LS3 c6.
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Here's The New Toyota Supra Getting Hustled Around The Nürburgring





Here it is again: the Toyota Supra mule, now spotted testing at the Nürburgring.


Admittedly, it’s driving pretty slowly in this video, and it’s tough to hear the engine or the gearbox working. But this video is further proof that it won’t turn into a pumpkin or disappear at midnight, which is good enough for me.
Wonder what it looks like under all that camo?

Also, what the hell was that hatchback thing that was getting flogged at the end of the video.


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2019 Toyota Supra spy shots and video









Feast your eyes on a prototype for the new Toyota Supra.
This is the car Toyota originally announced in 2011 when it signed a deal with BMW to jointly develop a sports car platform. BMW is using the platform for a replacement for the Z4, thought to be a new model called the Z5.
Toyota is yet to confirm the Supra name for its sports car but there have been plenty of hints it’s making a comeback. Most recently it was revealed that Toyota had trademarked the Supra name for the European market.
Spy video courtesy of the guys at SupraMKV shows the prototype leaving and entering a BMW M Test Center at the Nürburgring. Of course, this isn't a surprise considering the car is being developed with BMW through the previously mentioned partnership.
Toyota FT-1 concept, 2014 Detroit Auto Show
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As the spy shots and video reveal, the car features a relatively small footprint. It’s clearly smaller than 2014’s FT-1 concept car, which previewed the design. Elements borrowed from the concept include the protruding nose, double-bubble roof, jet fighter-style glasshouse, muscular rear fenders, and ducktail trunk lid. We can also see the layout of the new liftback in some of the shots.
The car isn’t expected on the market until well into 2018, which means we’ll likely see it arrive as a 2019 model. (It’s possible the debut will take place in late 2017 at the Tokyo Motor Show). Being so far out from the market arrival, there are few solid details to report on for what’s lurking within the sheet metal.
We know the new platform features a front-midship layout and a low center of gravity, as evidenced by the very low hood and roof. It’s likely to feature multi-material construction, perhaps even some carbon fiber to shed weight while boosting strength.
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The car is expected to be offered with more than one powertrain option, with the range-topper rumored to be a hybrid powertrain combining a twin-turbocharged V-6 with an electric motor or two. The V-6 would power the rear wheels while the electric motors power the front pair, creating a “through-the-road” hybrid setup. Toyota previewed a similar setup in 2013 with its Hybrid-R concept.
The downside is that such a system would likely see the price of the Supra come in at a high level. We've heard it will be priced higher than a Corvette, which starts in the mid-$50k bracket and quickly rises from there. So to offset this Toyota may also offer an entry-level powertrain consisting purely of the twin-turbo V-6 or a turbocharged inline-4.
And to further reduce costs, production of the Toyota sports car along with its BMW counterpart is rumored to be taking place at independent vehicle manufacturer Magna Steyr's plant located in Graz, Austria. Sharing a production facility makes sense considering the low volumes of pricey sports cars.
Stay tuned for updates as development continues.

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New Toyota Supra performance hybrid tests at the 'Ring


Hybrid FT-1 concept to inspire final model, although we won't see it until after its BMW Z5 sister car; new shots show car testing at the Nürburgring














The new Toyota Supra has been spotted testing at the Nürburgring, weeks after its sibling, the BMW Z5, was seen on the roads.
Sharing the same platform, following the announcement of an extended partnership between the two brands last year, the Supra is expected to arrive in 2018 shortly after its BMW Z5 counterpart.
Both models are set to use a hybrid four-wheel drive set-up incorporating a BMW petrol engine and electric motors with energy stored in super capacitors.

The Supra is also expected to benefit from BMW’s carbonfibre architecture as used on its existing i3, i8 and 7 Series.
The model is the long-awaited successor to Toyota’s discontinued coupé, which went out of production in 2002. This new Supra takes inspiration from the FT-1 concept shown in Detroit in 2014 (below) and will sit above the GT86 in Toyota’s line-up, making it the brand’s flagship sports car. It will also be considerably more expensive than the GT86, which is priced from £25,495, reflecting its advanced powertrain and construction.
Toyota previously hinted at a performance hybrid model in 2013, with the Yaris Hybrid-R, which used a 414bhp set-up comprising a 1.6-litre, four-cylinder petrol engine and an electric motor on each rear wheel.

A super-capacitor, originally developed for Toyota’s TS030 Hybrid Le Mans car for energy storage, was also used on the car and is likely to make it into the Supra. Since Toyota hasn’t used the tech it previewed on the Yaris Hybrid R yet, it’s quite likely that we’ll see it in some form on the Supra.
These images show a toned-down version of the FT-1 concept, with a coupé roof – a distinct difference from the Z5, which has a soft-top hood. Camouflage cladding on both cars prevents us from seeing the more idiosyncratic design elements of each, though.
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Well yes, for sure it would.

But the last Supra was that much, so I don't see them keeping it at that constant price.
I'm not looking at what the last Supra cost, I'm looking at a world where you can buy a Camaro SS with 455hp for between $37,900 - $42,900 MSRP, or a Ford Mustang GT with 435hp for between $33,570 - $37,570 MSRP.

I would love to have competition in this segment but that means competing on both performance and price. The only car even trying anymore is the 370Z but with 332hp until it's next redesign and update it's not really serious competition. A Supra with a 400hp Turbo Inline 6 with a price similar to the Camaro SS would generate a lot of sales.
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I'm not looking at what the last Supra cost, I'm looking at a world where you can buy a Camaro SS with 455hp for between $37,900 - $42,900 MSRP, or a Ford Mustang GT with 435hp for between $33,570 - $37,570 MSRP.

I would love to have competition in this segment but that means competing on both performance and price. The only car even trying anymore is the 370Z but with 332hp until it's next redesign and update it's not really serious competition. A Supra with a 400hp Turbo Inline 6 with a price similar to the Camaro SS would generate a lot of sales.
I just don't see it costing $40k.

And after seeing all of these on the street. It looks evident it's going to basically look like a BMW z4.5 coupe, nothing like the original designs.
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I just don't see it costing $40k.

And after seeing all of these on the street. It looks evident it's going to basically look like a BMW z4.5 coupe, nothing like the original designs.
Yeah, I see Toyota trying to compete with these luxury sport coupes more than the American sports cars. I would love to see a cheap Supra too, but they're packing a lot of technology into this car, and that's not cheap.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see it start in the high 60s or low 70s.
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I always get a kick out of the american hp per dollar argument. This might have the first (correct me if I'm wrong) battery-less hybrid system and a cf tub. This is a 100k car.
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I always get a kick out of the american hp per dollar argument. This might have the first (correct me if I'm wrong) battery-less hybrid system and a cf tub. This is a 100k car.
It's all relative. I mean, it all comes down to power/weight.

But with cars like the 6th gen Camaro reducing weight and upping hp, it's a valid argument. I mean, the c5z was 405 hp and weighed 31xx.

So if this is 400 hp, and it costs $100k, I'd want it to be around 2300-2400 lbs.
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structural rigidity, weight distribution (front back as well as the height of it), and power curve are extremely important factors that you have left out of your equation there, bud. Not everyone is interested in simply talking about a cars numbers; there is much more nuance to reality.

And of course, that is all before considering the fit/finish of the car itself, how it feels to drive, how it sounds, etc.

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structural rigidity, weight distribution (front back as well as the height of it), and power curve are extremely important factors that you have left out of your equation there, bud. Not everyone is interested in simply talking about a cars numbers; there is much more nuance to reality.

And of course, that is all before considering the fit/finish of the car itself, how it feels to drive, how it sounds, etc.
Well, I agree, hence the example I used. The C5Z is likely the last of the true, pure sports cars that was made, imo.
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Why the c5z?
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Lightweight, balanced chassis, manual only, turn off all the nannies, big honking NA v8. Sure, it's not as refined as a 911, but will show it taillights on a track or dragstrip.
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It's all relative. I mean, it all comes down to power/weight.

But with cars like the 6th gen Camaro reducing weight and upping hp, it's a valid argument. I mean, the c5z was 405 hp and weighed 31xx.

So if this is 400 hp, and it costs $100k, I'd want it to be around 2300-2400 lbs.
but it really doesn't. power/weight isn't the end all be all anymore in terms of performance. a c5 zog has a better ratio than an 09 gtr, and we all know who wins that drag race. the 5th gen Z28 and a C5 z06 are nearly identical lb/hp and there is absolutely no contest in terms of acceleration coming out of a corner.

we are in an era where our engineers have become so effective at hiding/using the extra weight that it just isn't as easy as looking at a curb weight and judging a car.

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The new Toyota Supra. Not since the C7 Chevrolet Corvette has there been a sports car enthusiasts have been more excited to see uncovered. And like the C7 Corvette, we think we can show you before anyone else what it’ll look like.

What you’re looking at is, to the best of our knowledge, the most accurate rendition of the new Supra to date. But it wasn’t easy to get.
As with the C7, a source provided Jalopnik with inside information that Toyota certainly would not have wanted us to get. Using that, along with recent spy photos and videos, we’ve been able to construct what we believe is a realistic representation of what the car will look like when it goes on sale. (Obviously we took artistic license with a handful of details, like the headlights and wheels, but the rest of it is spot on with what we got.)


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Toyota, of course, declined to comment. It’s much more difficult to get confirmation of this kind of thing as automakers post-C7 have been harder to break, and Toyota and its suppliers, in particular, have kept their lips sealed.


So what are we looking at here, exactly? It’s a brawny coupe with traditional sports car proportions—long hood, low roofline—that clearly takes cues from the wildly popular Toyota FT-1 concept that debuted at the Detroit Auto Show in 2014. It’s just toned down for production, as these things usually are. But the scalloped roof, windows, arching rear fenders and almost airplane-like nose cone are clear homages to that design.
(It also reminds me quite a bit of the Toyota FT-HS concept from 2007, which a lot of people also surmised would become the next Supra.)

The FT-1. You can see the family resemblance.
So that’s what we know. Here’s what we don’t.



The name. It’s been dubbed the new Supra by pretty much everyone, but there’s been no official confirmation from Toyota yet that it will be called that. They’d be fools not to, though.
The engine. The car’s platform is co-developed with BMW, but no one is clear what motor is under that hood. It may be a twin-turbo six, potentially a V6 with some 400 horsepower. It may also get built in Austria. That’s where the shadow car company Magna-Steyr already produces a few cars for BMW specifically—we think this car will also be a Z5 roadster for the Germans. It may also be a hybrid with all-wheel drive too.

The price. Who can say? Let’s hope Toyota keeps it relatively affordable. The last twin-turbo Supra got pretty pricey, but it was still a giant-slayer in terms of performance. And that was before the tuners got ahold of it.
When we’ll get it. I’m assuming soon! The camouflaged mules running around are no secret at this point. A debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show in November is possible, but if it’s not revealed at a special event somewhere, the Detroit show in January seems more likely to me.
No matter what, this will be the most hotly-anticipated new performance car in a generation. Here’s hoping Toyota can make it move as good as it looks.
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Ugly and looks like a Mustang.

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