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I like hitting that 2nd gear and letting that SOB spin up to 7200 RPM.
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I went with an auto in the '71 for sake of not cutting the perfect floor on a true Z28 car.

The paddles worked really well, and the auto rev-match is neat too. I guess for me, getting stuck in the serious stop and go we can down here, the auto is actually a lot of fun on top of the convenience of stop and go as well. This is just thinking as a driver.

I considered for like a day one of the '16 Turbo 4 cylinder cars since they were so deeply discounted, and for those I would have only gone with the man pedal.
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What transmission does it use in the newer camaro?
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Just in from one of our sources to the Corvette Action Center, apparently the mid-engine C8 Corvette is a go and you heard here first!
“The mid engine was signed off on last week, a 2019 with 3 or 4 models, top of the line being the “Zora” and I swear rumor has it 1500 HP. They will try to compete with the Ferraris and Lambos (an probably at their prices) ……anyway it will be debuted at the Detroit Auto Show in Jan 18.”

“They will also definitely run the C7 thru 2019, simultaneously.”
They go on to say that the unveiling of the mid-engine was for engineers only and it was very well received.

If any of this is true, what we heard and posted a year ago looks like it may become reality with the C7 and mid-engine being built at the same time for a short period of time.

While it may be unrealistic that the top-of-the-line Zora will come out with 1500 HP, it is possible that the engine may be engineered to handle up to 1500 HP.

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lolz @1500 hp
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While it may be unrealistic that the top-of-the-line Zora will come out with 1500 HP, it is possible that the engine may be engineered to handle up to 1500 HP.
This sounds like the more reasonable rumor, I could see them building an engine with a lot of room to increase HP similar to what made the Supra legendary.
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A 1500hp mid engine woukd turn the auto world on its head.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see this be a halo car like the Ford GT, and they still make a front engine C8.
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That would be awesome, but one has to wonder if sales would support it. Seems like I'm constantly hearing/reading about Dwindling sports car sales.
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That would be awesome, but one has to wonder if sales would support it. Seems like I'm constantly hearing/reading about Dwindling sports car sales.


Do you think the Ford GT is a money maker for Ford?


I'd be surprised if it was considering the engineering that went into it, and the low production numbers.
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I'd be surprised if it was considering the engineering that went into it, and the low production numbers.
No I highly doubt it. I just think GM tends to be a bit more conservative with those types of things. I'm not sure the powers that be wound see the benefit of an actual halo car, because the new zr1 will undoubtedly be a monster.
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GM needs to look at what has happened with the new NSX and perhaps regroup on the pricing of this car. Acura's new NSX is a world class performer, but they are having trouble selling them largely because of the price the $156K base price with many stickering for $165-185K. The word is the C8 will have an MSRP of $80K-90K which is substantially higher than that of the C7's $56K base. That likely means $100K-120K will probably be the norm for the C8 and that could be a hard sell for a "Vette". They'll now be in 911 and GTR territory. As far as I know, GTRs don't sell well at all anymore. The 911 sales are good, but Porsche only sold 32,000 911s in 2016. That should telling of where the market is for $80k-140K sports cars and how and where the C8 can fit in.

I have hard time believing that many will be cross-shopping 911s and C8s or C8s and Ferraris, Lambos, and the like.
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GM needs to look at what has happened with the new NSX and perhaps regroup on the pricing of this car. Acura's new NSX is a world class performer, but they are having trouble selling them largely because of the price the $156K base price with many stickering for $165-185K. The word is the C8 will have an MSRP of $80K-90K which is substantially higher than that of the C7's $56K base. That likely means $100K-120K will probably be the norm for the C8 and that could be a hard sell for a "Vette". They'll now be in 911 and GTR territory. As far as I know, GTRs don't sell well at all anymore. The 911 sales are good, but Porsche only sold 32,000 911s in 2016. That should telling of where the market is for $80k-140K sports cars and how and where the C8 can fit in.

I have hard time believing that many will be cross-shopping 911s and C8s or C8s and Ferraris, Lambos, and the like.
That's why a halo car would make more sense than leaving the FR layout.
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This thing isn't going to be a corvette. It also will be priced to where it won't affect Vette sales, or at least all but loaded up ZR1 sales.

I bet it's 2x+ the price of a loaded ZR1
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This thing isn't going to be a corvette. It also will be priced to where it won't affect Vette sales, or at least all but loaded up ZR1 sales.

I bet it's 2x+ the price of a loaded ZR1
If they plan on this being a halo car like the FGT, then I wouldn't be surprised to see prices in the $3-500k range and less than 1k built.
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I'd love to see what the General would produce at that price point.
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I have hard time believing that many will be cross-shopping 911s and C8s or C8s and Ferraris, Lambos, and the like.
I think that is a little naive. If they jack up the price that much, I think they know that they will be selling a lot less. They already have the performance aspect down - which sounds like it will get even better. The C7 is sexy AF, and I imagine the Zora will be on par or better. With a decent interior and the kind of exclusivity that a higher price tag would provide, I would think would provide some cross shopping experiences.

I like Porsche as much as the next guy, but there is nothing inherently magical about them. Sure, some will pick it for the name or a style, but the same could be said about the c8. Some will pick based on performance, in which case, have at it. How many people would have said that nobody would cross shop a Ford with Ferrari or a Porsche with Lamborghini? A hyundai with bmw or mercedes? It happens more than people think.
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I'd be surprised if it was considering the engineering that went into it, and the low production numbers.
Not in the traditional sense, but when you consider it's the nexus of a lot of engineering work that would have happened anyways to improve technologies across the entire fleet, then maybe?

If you subtracted a portion of the engineering and divided it amongst the different programs that will use technology from GT i.e. the new Raptor for example uses a modified version of the same Ecoboost Engine then it doesn't cost quite so much. When you think about the marketing return on investment or the fact that you are getting those who buy the GT to subsidize R&D it's not so bad. They certainly wouldn't make them, if they didn't see the value in doing so.

I would love to see what GM could do in a similar vehicle.
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I think it was the Carcast podcast that had a ford exec on a month or two ago and they said that it would be profitable with its limited sales.
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I think that is a little naive. If they jack up the price that much, I think they know that they will be selling a lot less. They already have the performance aspect down - which sounds like it will get even better. The C7 is sexy AF, and I imagine the Zora will be on par or better. With a decent interior and the kind of exclusivity that a higher price tag would provide, I would think would provide some cross shopping experiences.

I like Porsche as much as the next guy, but there is nothing inherently magical about them. Sure, some will pick it for the name or a style, but the same could be said about the c8. Some will pick based on performance, in which case, have at it. How many people would have said that nobody would cross shop a Ford with Ferrari or a Porsche with Lamborghini? A hyundai with bmw or mercedes? It happens more than people think.
I have no doubt the C8 will be a performer and will (and should) make the C7 look fairly bad in comparison. I really want the C8 to succeed and I'm excited for it, but I do fear GM is going to overprice the thing and make it a numbers chaser instead of a fun car. The Corvette, no matter how much of an impressive performer, has a stigma and is never going to have the status that a Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, etc. has. If the Corvette becomes a $100K+ car, GM isn't going to be able to sell many. When it comes to cars like this, performance is only a part of equation. What makes the current gen Corvette so impressive is it's dollar per performance value and the attainability of the common man to buy one. Going from a commonly discounted C7 typically selling for $50-70K to $90+K is a BIG jump. GM is now trying to sell Escalades for nearly $100K. That is just bonkers. I hardly see any of those around, though I see many $100K German SUVs trucking around in JOCO.

I'm probably just salty because I think automakers anymore are just chasing numbers and these sports cars, supercars, and exotics are becoming more and more digital. The failed new gen NSX is a prime example. It's just a numbers chaser and gone is what made the NSX so great. It demonstrates everything bad about cramming a performance car with a ton of tech to spit out crazy numbers. The ludicrous power of these cars has resulted in cars with safety nets to keep the drivers on the road and disconnect them from the feel and experience. I'd happily trade power for a car that feels amazing and one that offers a manual as well. Those are far and few between anymore. The new naturally aspirated 500hp 911 GT3 that sells for $146K is the only supercar I can think of that still offers the rawness, an NA motor, and a manual. It runs high 10s/low 11s which is bonkers for an NA flat 6 and the 6MT uses a mechanical diff instead of electronic. Porsche seems to be the only automaker now trying to still involve the driver and make sports cars and supercars that are somewhat affordable. The Viper was similar in nature and execution as well.

If a loaded C8 costs $120-140K, I can't imagine many people buying many of them, no matter how well it performs. There will probably be many that would want to buy, but can't due to lack of funds. GM has a hell of a time selling the CTS-V, the ATS-V, the failed XLR, most of the super Vettes and Camaros, etc. Why? GM stigma and overpricing. Hopefully they won't make the same mistake. If they can keep a loaded C8 under $100K, they might have a chance. Maybe. If it's $80K, they'll have a winner.

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I think that is a little naive. If they jack up the price that much, I think they know that they will be selling a lot less. They already have the performance aspect down - which sounds like it will get even better. The C7 is sexy AF, and I imagine the Zora will be on par or better. With a decent interior and the kind of exclusivity that a higher price tag would provide, I would think would provide some cross shopping experiences.

I like Porsche as much as the next guy, but there is nothing inherently magical about them. Sure, some will pick it for the name or a style, but the same could be said about the c8. Some will pick based on performance, in which case, have at it. How many people would have said that nobody would cross shop a Ford with Ferrari or a Porsche with Lamborghini? A hyundai with bmw or mercedes? It happens more than people think.
I highly doubt it is "cross shopping" as you call it. If someone is buying a Ford GT, I can almost guarantee you they have several other cars (Ferraris, Porsches, Lambo's, etc.). I don't know of anyone that has a Ford GT or that is getting one that has to sell one or is comparing it to others based on performance.

It is going to be the same thing "if" and "when" GM introduces this unicorn the press has been salivating over for the past 10 years...if it is priced $ 250,000+, people that buy it are simply going to be adding it to their current stable.
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Latest Spy Pics of Mid-Engined 2019 C8 Corvette: Best View Yet of Cabin and Overall Proportions







Chevrolet engineers are hard at work testing the upcoming mid-engined C8 Chevrolet Corvette, which provides opportunities for industrious spy photographers—and further delicious teasing for the rest of us. The latest images captured of the mid-engined Vette give us our best view yet of the passenger compartment and the homegrown exotic’s overall shape.
These snaps captured the C8 in a moment when the camouflage had peeled away from its roof, revealing the tall, dramatically curved windshield and the tapered roofline. Chevrolet is tipped to offer a choice of a solid roof, a lift-off top as on today’s C7, or a glass roof. Through the camouflage, we can discern the outline of the large rear glass under which sits the small-block V-8. The view of the open doors confirms that they’ll operate conventionally. We also get a good sense of the long wheelbase, the short rear overhang, the defined front fender tops, and the rounded tail.



We expect the mid-mounted small-block to send as much as 500 horsepower to the rear wheels, distilled via a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission supplied by Tremec. A hybrid variant, expected to use the trademarked name Corvette E-Ray, likely will follow later. The C8’s regular powertrain will get an upgrade, in the form of a four-cam 32-valve V-8, approximately a year after its debut.

The C8 Corvette, code-named ZERV, is expected to finally shed its camo in January with a debut at the 2018 Detroit auto show. Production begins later next year or very early 2019. Meantime, we’ll keep mulling over these spy photos, because January is a long way away.
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2019 Chevrolet Corvette C8 “Zora” and C7 ZR1: What to Expect

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After seven generations of front-engine, rear-wheel-drive Chevrolet Corvettes, the C8 is switching to a mid-engine configuration. The C8 Zora is likely to be unveiled January 2018 at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, with production to begin in time for a fall ’18 release, possibly earlier. The Corvette’s Bowling Green, Kentucky, assembly plant suspended public tours this year, suggesting that Chevy has begun to build C8 prototypes there.




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Arguments against a mid-engine C8 are the configuration’s higher cost and its departure from the Great American Sports Car’s image. Arguments for it are stronger. First, Corvette buyers are getting old, and they would find little reason to trade in for an evolutionary, front-engine C8 Corvette. Foremost, by switching to mid-engine, Chevrolet is doing what Porsche refuses to do with the Corvette’s direct competitor, the 911. By going mid-engine with the C8, Chevy may finally have a Corvette that can out-handle the 911.

Spy shots suggest the C8 will not be mistaken for any other mid-engine sports car, with a hood nearly as long as the C7’s, though with a short dash-to-axle ratio and a long rear deck.
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