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you realize he runs a dealership right?

No wrangler with 4 doors, auto and actual real options is had for usually less than 28-32k.

Higher miles as well.

Guys rebuild them here in wichita and sell them rebuilt for $25-30k.
Yeah it's a dealer that is asking more than new retail on a used 2015 Sport Unlimited with a hardtop/auto on their website right now ($33k), so I can see why certain dealers would get defensive when people mention new ones are $5k less.

I never said Wranglers didn't get more expensive when you add options, isn't that obvious? But I'll bite, what "real actual options" are you referring to? Most Unlimiteds sold are Sports which come standard with AC and when adding a hardtop and auto, are easily obtainable for under $28k. There's a bunch of dealers selling them for $27.X on autotrader right now before any negotiation. Brand new. I agree that I see tons of slightly used JK's for $28-32k, but only a sucker would pay that. If people are paying $30k+ for used Wrangler Sports or ones with salvage titles, its helping make my point that there are false ideas about what Wranglers cost and what they are worth. Like I said before, used Wranglers often sell for more than new MSRP because people have no idea what you can get them for.
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The 2018 Jeep Wrangler's Interior Actually Looks Pretty Nice





Hey, shocking news: the all-new 2018 Jeep Wrangler is going to look like... a Jeep Wrangler. Despite being a completely new rock-crawler that makes use of aluminum to cut weight, the Wrangler’s looks won’t change much, because why would it need to? Fortunately, one place that seems to be hugely improved over the old Wrangler is the inside, as these new spy shots show.

The current Wrangler is great at a lot of things. Things like off-roading, having roof and door panels that pop off, and looking real badass at the mall. Interior comfort? Not so much. The Wrangler is meant to be a rugged vehicle, but even its abundance of hard plastics and outdated interface are a bit much.



Now! The 2018 Wrangler looks hella nicer inside. Besides the colored dash panels, which are a classy touch, you have an array of buttons that recall the Challenger and Charger and other Fiat Chrysler products, a huge touch screen infotainment system, far more tasteful window switches (center mounted, still) and what appear to be much nicer materials around.
Overall, it appears to be a more pleasant place to spend time while you’re doing extreme off-roading. There’s no reason the modern Wrangler can’t be tough and still nicer inside than the last one.
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These May Be All The Engines For The 2018 Jeep Wrangler

A rendering of what the 2018 Jeep Wrangler could look like via JL Wrangler Forums
One of the most anticipated vehicles of the year is the next-generation Jeep Wrangler, but a big question mark is what engines it will have. A tip sent to Jalopnik from an anonymous source appears to confirm the full range of motors, including two versions of the planned diesel.
The anonymous tip claimed to show the details on the JL-generation 2018 Jeep Wrangler launch, which would confirm a lot of the rumors we’ve heard over the months if true. The source, who claims to have connections at a Fiat Chrysler Automobiles assembly plant, says that the Wrangler may have six different engine options:
  • Two versions of the 3.6-liter Pentastar engine
  • A 3.0- and a 2.2-liter diesel
  • And two versions of the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine.
Spy photos appeared to show a diesel 2018 Wrangler Rubicon out testing in July 2016, so this isn’t a big stretch. The 2018 Wrangler has also been rumored to have a 2.0-liter turbocharged engine that makes nearly 300 horsepower for over a year now, but we have not yet heard any horsepower specifics or whether either of the four-cylinder Jeeps will be turbos.
Included in the tip are all of the 2018 Wrangler’s potential different body options:
  • The typical two- and four-door configurations
  • A black soft top
  • A tan soft top
  • A black hard top
  • A body-color hard top
  • And a power-retractable top.
Sadly we have not heard anything new on Wrangler’s transmission options, which has been rumored to come with a manual or not at all. The latest rumor, to make you all feel better, is that it will come with a manual.
Jalopnik has reached out to FCA for comment and for clarification on whether the options from the tip are accurate, and will update when we hear back.
Update, May 16 at 5:38 p.m. ET: A spokesperson for the company responded to Jalopnik’s request for comment, saying that FCA “cannot comment on future product.” We tried.
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Jeep Wrangler will get diesel option for 2019




Fiat Chrysler Automobiles held a meeting with select Jeep dealers this week specifically to discuss the JL-series Wrangler.
The folks at JLWranglerForums have managed to source some of the information that was discussed, including powertrain details.
The new off-roader will be introduced in November at the 2017 Los Angeles auto show, and should be at dealerships as early as December. It will arrive as a 2018 model.

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There will be two powertrains at launch. The standard option will be a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-4, something that was confirmed in 2016. The engine is thought to be packing as much as 300 horsepower, and interestingly it will be available exclusively with an automatic transmission, most likely an 8-speed.
The other powertrain option at launch will be an upgraded version of the current Wrangler’s 3.6-liter V-6. Expect a significant boost to the 285-hp rating in the current Wrangler. Buyers of this powertrain will have the choice of manual or automatic transmissions.
A third option, a diesel, will be introduced for 2019. The unit in question is the 3.0-liter turbocharged V-6 diesel that FCA is having some issues with regarding emissions. Wrangler prototypes sporting DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) tanks, used to reduce nitrogen oxides in diesel vehicles, have been spotted.

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There’s no word on how much power the diesel engine will offer in the Wrangler, but in the Jeep Grand Cherokee it’s good for 240 hp. It’s also not clear what transmissions will be offered with the diesel engine, though it’s thought that only an automatic will be available.
FCA is known to be working on a hybrid powertrain for the Wrangler, though this was not discussed at the meeting. Also not discussed, it seems, was the planned Wrangler pickup which is expected to be introduced for 2019.
Expect more details to emerge in the lead up to the L.A. auto show which starts November 27.
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(Image Credit: JL Wrangler Forums)
The often-fruitful JL Wrangler Forums has gotten its hands on what sure look like screenshots of a Jeep dealership’s internal computer system. If they’re real, the images reveal a whole lot about what options and configurations the new-body-style 2018 Jeep Wrangler will be getting.

Jeep Wrangler updates are a big deal because the car is an enthusiast favorite. Actually it’s almost everyone’s favorite, if you believe Jeep-parent company Fiat Chrysler’s sales reports. The Wrangler has been with us in its current iteration since 2012, in its current bodystyle since 2007, yet the company is still selling a whopping 18,000 machines a month.






The Wrangler’s so beloved because its capability and unrefined purity give it earnest personality... something so many cars are lacking in 2017.
Now hardcore Jeep fans are already polishing pitchforks to decry the outgoing (“JK” platform) Wrangler as “the last true Jeep” and the incoming (“JL” platform) vehicle as yuppie poser bullshit, as is tradition. And of course, some of us will come up with excuses to defend that take when the vehicle’s finally revealed at the LA Auto Show in November.





But the reality is, it is most likely that the JL Jeep will be objectively superior to the JK in every practically appreciable respects. One of those, according to this latest leak, is a Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD system.






With the exception of a few weird limited-run trims, Jeep Wranglers have always had 4WD. That functionality has been the centerpiece of the machine’s off-road capability. These vehicles drive in RWD by default, and can only be switched into 4WD manually with a big transfer case lever next to the shifter.
That same lever can also put the vehicle into low-range for huge torque multiplication and crawling abilities.
A full-time system like Jeep’s Selec-Trac would also run in RWD under regular road conditions, but instead of having to be manually jammed into 4WD, the transfer case would distribute power to the wheels with the most traction automatically without an active driver input.






This would effectively make the JL Wrangler easier to drive in bad weather and on rough-terrain, taking one more decision out of the driver’s hands into the charge of the vehicle’s wheel speed sensors and traction control computers.
It would also deprive drivers of the joy of pulling a big beefy transfer case lever.
The JL Wrangler Forums finding indicate that this automatic transfer case would be a luxury option available exclusively on the four-door Sahara trim. That makes me think the hardcore Rubicon and basic Sport trims would still run a “traditional” manual ’box.






Other interesting tentative confirmations from this leak include further discussion of the new Wrangler’s engine options: an updated 3.6-liter Pentastar V6, a 2.0-liter four-cylinder turbo and a 3.0-liter turbo diesel V6 coming out in late 2019. A six-speed manual transmission and two eight-speed automatics also appear to be on the options list for transmissions, along with a power soft top(!) and a color called “Nacho Clear Coat.”
Don’t forget to take this information with a grain of salt, since even if it’s legit, Jeep might decide to make changes before production and sales are green-lit.
But you can peep the screen shots in question and see if there are any other details JL Wrangler Forums missed, or check out the breakdown list the forum complied right here:


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Will I need to swap my truck for a 4 door wrangler with 6 speed and Turbo Diesel action?
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Will I need to swap my truck for a 4 door wrangler with 6 speed and Turbo Diesel action?
Hopefully it doesn't go the way of the Grand Cherokee, where to get a Diesel version, you have to buy a loaded out, top-of-the-line trim package and it prices it out of any sort of reason.
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Not the whole thing but it's definitely a JLU.




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New Jeep Wrangler caught nearly uncovered

Goodbye bulky prototype covers




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Finally, after months of seeing Wrangler prototypes carefully covered up, we get a look at some prototypes with the bare minimum of camouflage. Starting from the front, the fascia looks just as it did in previously leaked images. In contrast to the outgoing model, the trademark grille slots are now taller, stretching nearly to the top of the grille surround. The headlights also intersect with the grille slots, resulting in slightly pinched slots at either end. Aside from the grille, we can get a clear view of the new horizontal, fender-mounted turn signals and the traditional exposed hood latches.

Moving along the SUV, we find hinges at the base of the windshield, which seems to confirm that you'll still be able to fold it down for maximum wind exposure. And, as we've seen before, the doors have exposed hinges that indicate the doors can come off, too. We can also see that the Wrangler will be offered with both contrasting black plastic fender flares, and with body-colored versions. But unlike past models, the body-colored examples aren't completely painted, leaving a black strip along the edges. Interestingly, the fender vents seen on another fully exposed example of the Wrangler don't appear to be present on these prototypes. They could be covered, or they may be an optional appearance item.

At the back, we now get to see the Wrangler's new taillights, which are LED units with an I-beam shape. The exposed gas filler cap is now gone, in favor of a permanently attached filler door. Both the license plate mount and rear window wiper have been moved, too. The license plate now mounts to the bumper, and the rear wiper hides at the base of the rear window behind the spare tire. The rear bumper also gets some red lenses that could simply be reflectors, or possibly rear fog lights.

As previously reported, the new Jeep Wrangler is expected to make its debut at this year's LA auto show, with the first deliveries arriving to dealers not long after. It will be available with either a four-cylinder or V6 at launch, with a diesel coming later, and the truck sometime after that. Other new features to the Wrangler could include a roof with power sliding panels, and full-time four-wheel drive.
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Jeep’s next-generation Wrangler, the JL, is almost here.
The reveal is now just a few months away and the latest prototypes are wearing barely any camouflage gear.
They reveal a number of details such as the new grille, front and rear fascias, front and rear LED lights, hinges for the fold-down windshield and doors, and a flush fuel-filler cap.
Jeep is also out testing the 4-door Wrangler Unlimited, and a Wrangler pickup, possibly dubbed the Scrambler, has also been confirmed for production.

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Jeep isn’t planning any major surprises regarding the design of its JL Wrangler. Look for the vehicle to match the current generation’s rugged body-on-frame design, solid axles and mostly steel construction. Some aluminum will be used, however, in an effort to improve fuel economy.
Additional fuel-saving measures will include the availability of a turbocharged inline-4 and even a turbocharged V-6 diesel, with the latter getting a late release. The core powertrain should remain a V-6, however. Transmission options will include 6-speed manual and 8-speed automatic units.
Some versions of the new Wrangler will also be offered with full-time 4-wheel drive. That's according to leaked information that surfaced in August.
Production will take place at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ plant in Toledo, Ohio, starting late this year. The world debut is expected at November’s 2017 Los Angeles auto show, with the vehicle to arrive as a 2018 model.

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2018 Jeep Wrangler Shows Its Familiar Shape In Reader Spy Photos




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The 2018 Jeep Wrangler continues its slow march to production as reader Brett Borgard has caught a handful of prototypes in Colorado.

Spotted alongside the facelifted Cherokee, the Wrangler prototypes are heavily camouflaged but there's no hiding the fact the model will have an evolutionary design that is instantly recognizable.

Despite the design déjà vu, the 2018 Wrangler will incorporate a number of subtle styling changes including front fender vents, new door handles, and a prominent character line that integrated into the doors. Previous photos have also shown the model will have a flatter hood with large bumpers for the folding windscreen.

Despite the minor exterior styling changes, the cabin is slated to be more stylish and upscale than its predecessor. Dealership information has already revealed an assortment of options will be available including air conditioning, leather seats, and an Alpine audio system. There will also be a modern infotainment system with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay compatibility.

The 2018 Wrangler will be unveiled in November and is expected to be offered with three different engines. Choices are slated to include a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder, a 3.6-liter V6, and a 3.0-liter V6 turbo diesel. They will reportedly be connected to either a six-speed manual or a new eight-speed automatic.

The Wrangler has never been known for its fuel-efficiency but the new model should be more eco-friendly as it is slated to adopt a number of aluminum components. This should result in a significant weight savings but there's no word on specifics as of yet.

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All-New 2018 Jeep Wrangler Looks The Goods In Two-Door Guise


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Shortly after our eagle-eyed spy photographers snapped the next-generation two-door Jeep Wrangler under camouflage, the crew from the JL Wrangler Forums have created a number of renderings of the new Jeep.

As with the four-door Jeep Wrangler and the pickup, the new two-door will be clearly distinguished from the outgoing model thanks to its redesigned front grille and new headlights. Additionally, the Wrangler will get LED daytime running lights on the front wheel arches while the rear will adopt bespoke taillights.

The two-door Wrangler will be offered in both Rubicon and Sport guises and available as either a hardtop or a soft-top, giving customers plenty of options when they place their orders.

It is reported that the 2018 Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited will begin production on November 13th and celebrate its world debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show. Production of the two-door Wrangler won’t commence until February.

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The four-cylinder destined for the new Jeep Wrangler sounds like a peach.
A new leak has revealed just how much power Jeep's new four-cylinder Wrangler will be pumping out, and, spoiler alert, it's a lot.





According to a leaked FCA document to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration — which was posted to the JL Wrangler Forums fan site — the 2.0L turbocharged four-cylinder destined for the engine bay of the next-generation Wrangler will be rated at 368 horsepower. To put that into perspective, that's 8 horsepower more than you get from the 5.7L V8 in the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

However, the Wrangler's 2.0L might not be making all of that power on its own. Previous reports have indicated that Jeep was planning on pairing the Wrangler's four-cylinder with a mild hybrid system. If true, an electric motor could be supplementing the gas engine with around 20 horsepower. That would bring the four-cylinder's output down to a more reasonable, but still impressive, 348 horsepower.

With the advent of the new turbo-four, the Wrangler's 3.6L V6 will be relegated to base-engine status. Horsepower will be unchanged at 285.

The document also revealed that the four-door Jeep Wrangler will be the first model to launch, followed by a two-door model early next year. It's also believed that Jeep will eventually offer the new Wrangler with a 3.0L turbo-diesel, but the document made no mention of that powertrain.

Jeep's all-new Wrangler, which will be tagged as a 2019 model, will make its debut at next month's Los Angeles auto show.
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Here Is The Entire Leaked Owner's Manual For The 2018 Jeep Wrangler


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Leaks happen all the time before big new car debuts, but today we’ve got the mother lode for you to peruse. We won’t see the all-new 2018 Jeep Wrangler for some time yet, but here’s the entire leaked owner’s manual and user guide from the JL Wrangler Forum way before the car debuts. And it tells us EVERYTHING.
Interior shots, technical specs, door and hood operation, dashboard warning lights, even what the damn key fob looks like—it’s all here.









Is it legit? I can’t imagine it isn’t, especially since it all lines up with the inside and outside spy shots we’ve seen for months now. If it isn’t real it’s the world’s most elaborate car prank. We’ve reached out to Fiat Chrysler for comment and will update if we get one, but for now this seems like a lock.



There’s actually two documents on the forum: the user guide and the owner’s manual, all containing hundreds of pages of new Wrangler information. It’s almost too much to process right now, but the folks on the forum are going through and pointing out interesting things they find.
You should do the same. Scan through them and drop any fascinating tidbits in the comments.
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They need that diesel in there. That would be one BA rig with a EcoDiesel in it.
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2018 Jeep Wrangler: This Is Finally It





Jeep just released the first official images of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler, the JL. And while it looks a lot like the current JK, there are a number of notable differences.

Here’s what Jeep had to say in its press release:
The most capable SUV ever delivers even more legendary Jeep® 4x4 capability, a modern design that stays true to the original, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains, more open-air options, and is loaded with more safety features and advanced technology than ever before. The all-new Wrangler’s unique design includes an instantly recognizable keystone-shaped grille, iconic round headlamps and square tail lamps, improved aerodynamics, a convenient fold-down windshield for off-road purists, even more open-air freedom, and dozens of different door, top and windshield combinations.



The photo above seems to show a windshield that folds while keeping the A-pillar in place. The current JK takes that pillar with it in what is a painstaking process to get the windshield down. Jeep says the JL’s windshield-folding process is “convenient,” which already makes it 100 times better than the JK’s.





You can also see what looks like a vent behind the front fender and a turn signal on the front of it. The interior looks to show a manually-activated transfer case (like the Jeep gods intended), a manual transmission (like the Jeep gods intended), a real hand-brake (like the Jeep gods intended).




Here’s another photo from the top. The hood looks pretty. Frankly, the whole thing looks pretty (especially with the headlights that carve themselves into the grille), though I haven’t decided what I think about that beltline running along the doors in that top photo.
We’ll hear more at the Jeep’s official launch on Nov. 29. at the LA Auto show.
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Mopar previews accessories for new Jeep Wrangler











Add-ons include lift kits, beadlock wheels, tailgate tables, LED off-road lights and rock rails.
Mopar has previewed a few of its new accessories that have been developed for the next-generation Jeep Wrangler, revealed today ahead of its expected debut in Los Angeles.


Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' parts division wasted no time building an extensive catalog for one of the most accessorized off-road vehicles on the market. Engineers have already spent more than 100,000 hours developing over 200 add-ons.

Notable additions include the first-ever roof rack and tailgate table, along with new graphics packages, tire covers, fuel doors and other cosmetic tweaks.

Naturally, the company has prepared factory lift kits, beadlock wheels, off-road bumpers, LED off-road lights and unique rock rails, among other Jeep Performance Parts.

FCA says 98 percent of all Wranglers are outfitted with at least one Mopar accessory.
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Mopar previews parts for 2018 Jeep Wrangler at SEMA







Jeep didn’t have the redesigned JL-series Wrangler on display at this week’s SEMA show—the debut doesn’t happen until November’s 2017 Los Angeles Auto Show—but it did preview some of the Mopar accessories that will be available for the off-roader.
The Wrangler is one of the most customized vehicles in production as around 98 percent of owners typically add at least one Mopar accessory to their ride, according to Jeep. No surprise then that Mopar is cooking up over 200 items for the latest Wrangler.
There are all the usual items such as a lift kit, beadlock-capable wheels, LED off-road lights, and side steps. But there are also new items such as a roof rack, tailgate table, body graphics, fuel filler cap, and tire covers in a variety of styles and designs.
Serious off-roaders will likely be most interested in the lift kit and beadlock-capable wheels. The lift kit (shown below) adds up to 2.0 inches of additional lift and, when paired with the Wrangler’s high-top fender flares, can accommodate oversize 37-inch tires.

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The new beadlock-capable wheels, meanwhile, measure 17 inches across and feature a 12-millimeter offset and accommodate oversize tires to help tackle off-road conditions. Additional 17-inch five-spoke off-road wheel options are available in silver or black.
A Mopar winch is also a worthy option if you plan to hit the trails. The winch is water-resistant and includes wired remote control capability and a hawse fairlead.
As mentioned above, the JL Wrangler makes its debut next month at the L.A. Auto Show. It arrives as a 2018 model and will once again include the standard body style plus the 4-door Unlimited option. This time, however, there will also be a pickup body style. A diesel option will also be a new addition to the range.
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The new wheels they're putting on the Rubicon and the beadlock wheels look great! I think they did a good job.
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2018 Jeep Wrangler: See The Changes Side-By-Side










It still looks like a Jeep, but there are several important design updates.



The long wait is finally over, and we can now see how Jeep has evolved the iconic Wrangler for its new generation. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Jeep designers have not strayed too far from the traditional Wrangler shape. Yet there are big changes throughout the design that help modernize the SUV; the outgoing Wrangler, dubbed the JK generation, was first introduced way back in 2006.
Sadly, Jeep is only teasing us with a handful of photos at the moment, and we’ll have to wait until November 29, at the Los Angeles Auto Show, for a better look around the 2018 Jeep Wrangler. For now, though, this is how the all-new off-roader stacks up against its predecessor.


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It wouldn’t be a Jeep without a seven-slot grille, and so the 2018 Jeep Wrangler continues that design up front. But it’s been tweaked and resculpted, so much so that the outermost vertical slats bend inwards to accommodate the big, circular headlights. Those headlights have a fresh look, too, with what appear to be ring-like outer elements that may serve as running lights. Incidentally, though, there are new horizontal running lights and turn signals mounted to the front fenders, replacing the stuck-on circular marker light look of the old Wrangler. (This also might make it trickier for the aftermarket to replace those front fenders willy-nilly.)
The final lighting change concerns the Jeep’s front end, where the fog lights are more elegantly integrated into the bumper, which itself is a more aerodynamically swept backward at each edge. That doesn’t mean function has gone out the window, as there are still two recovery hooks peeking up from that bumper.
The Jeep’s windshield appears shorter in height and set back at a shallower angle than before, moves that will no doubt improve aerodynamic efficiency. The lower panels where the windshield meets the front fenders are tidier, too, with fewer exposed bolt heads; we’ll touch more on that windshield frame later on.
Also in evidence from this angle is a new character crease that starts at the side-view mirror and runs along the underside of the windows, providing a lot more visual interest than the old Wrangler’s rather plain body sides. But traditional touches remain: exposed door hinges, an old-school mechanical door lock protruding from the sheet metal, and chunky black-plastic handles.
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This is the shot that has Jeep fans all excited: the windshield folds down! Now, it was already possible to fold the windshield forward on the outgoing Wrangler, but doing so took an inordinate amount of work, in part because the windshield frame also formed the SUV’s A-pillars. What’s notable here is that the windshield can be lowered more easily (it’s described as “convenient” by Jeep) because the A-pillars remain in place even with the windshield down.
In other respects, the 2018 Jeep Wrangler looks remarkably similar to its predecessor in profile. A new fender vent is noticeable, the rear fender has a slightly more rounded shape, and the C-pillar makes a more graceful curve as it connects with what is essentially the Jeep’s roof rail. But other design cues carry over, like the rugged exposed gas cap, external taillights, and the third brake light that sticks out above the spare tire.
While Jeep hasn’t yet shared any photos of the interior – although our spy photographers have given us a pretty good look – we can at least see from this photo that you’ll stick be able to get a traditional manual handbrake, a traditional lever-style transfer case selector, and a manual transmission. Hooray! Based on the spy photos, also look for a lot of interior electronics upgrades, including the latest Uconnect infotainment system and redesigned center-stack controls. But, sating purists yet again, it appears the center stack-mounted vertical power-window switches will continue.
Aerial view

We don’t have a perfectly corresponding shot of the outgoing Wrangler to show you, but it’s clear from a drone’s-eye view that the new Wrangler’s hood will get a mild restyling. The external latches and rubber stops (for lowering the windshield) will continue, but it appears the hood has new strakes to add some design interest, as well as vents that may be optional depending on trim level.
What else do we know?

These photos confirm we’ll see both a two-door Wrangler and the increasingly popular four-door Unlimited model for this new generation. Jeep’s own press release promises the model will have “improved aerodynamics” and “dozens of different door, top, and windshield combinations.”
As for what’s under the hood, rumors point to the Wrangler offering a 3.6-liter V6 and a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder. A powered soft top could be offered, and Jeep will have more than 200 dealer-installed accessories ready to go at launch. At some point down the line, we will also get a Wrangler Pickup from the factory.
When will we know more?

Full details and photos of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler will be revealed at the L.A. Auto Show on November 29. The new Wrangler should start production at the company’s Toledo South factory in Ohio by the fourth quarter of this year, meaning you should be able to buy one by next spring.
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Let's Really Look At The Taillights And Turn Signals Of The 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL






Jeep finally released official pictures of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler we’ve been seeing in very mild camo for months and months now, but at least now we know officially what’s going to make it to the showrooms and muddy fields of America and what isn’t. Which means this is an ideal time to give some uncomfortably close attention to the indicators and taillights.


I get that for most well-adjusted people, this seems like an unhealthy amount of focus on details, but I think in the case of the classic Jeep design, that’s not true.
Because the Jeep Wrangler is so tied to a very specific, iconic Jeep look, that means the places where design changes and modernization can take place are remarkably limited compared to other cars. With the iconic Jeep, the styling details are incredibly important, and one of the few places where design flexibility can happen are in the taillights and turn indicators.
It’s amazing to think how much is actually off-limits for change. The headlight shape, for example, was dramatically changed once, with the YJ in the 1980s, from round to rectangular, and there’s still purists fuming about that. Now, anything other than a round light is off the table, though Jeep is certainly playing with what’s inside that round boundary on the newest model.
Turn indicators, though, might be the Jeep Wrangler design element with the most freedom. They started as simple round lights under the main headlamps, and continued that way until the YJ’s rectilinear heresy turned them square.




Unlike the headlights, though, there really wasn’t an outcry about the square indicators, and they stayed square on the TJ, which returned the round headlamps, but moved the indicators to a new spot on the front of the fenders, and included a nice trapezoidal side marker lamp. No one freaked out, proving that the turn indicators may be the part of the iconic Jeep with the most freedom to change.
The current JK returned the indicators to their classic round shape and location below the headlamps, and made the marker light round as well.
Now, in the JL, we see the biggest indicator light change since the YJ, and the first additional set of lighting to the Jeep design probably since WWII blackout lights: the daytime running lights, or known as DRLs if you want to seem cool to lighting nerds, which no one does.
The DRLs form horizontal strips on the leading edge of the fender, and terminate in a small, wrap-around amber reflector that also forms the side marker light.





The DRLs certainly impose a more modern look on the Jeep. The DRL area must do double-duty as the turn indicator, since there’s no other visible turn signal area.
Since most DRLs turn off when a turn indicator is on on their particular side, they may be using bi-color LEDs that will blink amber in that horizontal band when the turn indicator is on. That would gives a good-sized turn signal. I’m curious to see one in person and put a blinker on to see the magic happen.
In fact, if you look at the image on the cover of the leaked owner’s manual, you can see that the DRL area seems split into two chambers, which suggests another option:




Perhaps the inner one is the DRL and the outer the indicator? I guess we’ll see.
Overall, it’s a good design, giving the distinctive Jeep face a modern look without detracting from the key elements. Oddly, it does remind me of some Jeep knock-offs from the past, like the Ssang-Yong Korando:




As for the taillights, Jeep has had three basic designs over the years, and it wasn’t until fairly recently that Jeep even used a custom taillight design at all—they may have been the last manufacturer to use a generic, trailer/truck-type lamp on a mainstream vehicle.



The first civilian Jeeps just used basic, round rear lamps, later adding a small clear, round separate reversing light after 1968. Though, to be fair, our Jeep obsessive David just got on me about this over-simplification, and let me know that there are actually at least five variations of small, red, round taillight on old Jeep CJs. There’s a little chart there, if you’re curious.
It also includes the word “Stimsonite” which is the stuff that takes away Stimsonman’s powers, if I recall.








By the early 1970s, Jeep switched to the standard, iconic “box” taillight, a under-appreciated and brilliant bit of design that incorporated a taillamp, stop light, turn indicator, side marker lamp, reverse light, and license plate light all in one compact unit with only two bulbs. It’s used on trucks and trailers and forklifts and all kinds of things, as well as many, many Jeeps.

By the JK era, that off-the-shelf taillight had become so tied to the Jeep look that when they designed a taillight specific to the Jeep Wrangler for the first time in its history, they just modernized and cleaned up the look of the old box taillamp.
It’s sort of a strange idea, making a slightly-stylized version of a part you can pick up in any truck stop, but it sort of made sense, too.
The latest version of the Wrangler seems to have made some decisions about what criteria are needed to make a true Jeep taillight, and we can infer those by comparing the new design to the past.
It seems a Jeep taillight needs to be roughly rectangular, boxy, and mostly external, as in not integrated into the bodywork of the car, but stuck on the outside.
The perimiter-reflector area has been maintained, but the overall shape is pinched in the middle by the bulky black side housing. The arrangement of the internal elements has changed, too, with the reverse light now central, likely to emphasize that pinch point.
The new lights look sort of like the old ones as if they were somewhat soft and held in place by clamps. Maybe that gives them a bit of visual tension, instead of the static-looking box?
The shape also is reminiscent of a cross-section of a girder, which perhaps conveys ideas of ruggedness and strength, two qualities Jeep very much wants Wranglers to express.




The taillights are also supplemented by a pair of small reflectors or lights on the bumper, flanking the spare tire, and, of course, the CHMSL in its usual spot peeking above the spare.
Overall, I think the biggest risks and changes Jeep is taking with the new Wrangler, aside from a vent or two here and there, are in the lighting design. From a distance, that’s how you’ll most quickly identify the new one from the old one, and I think overall they made some good choices.
The front indicators and DRLs are perhaps the most obvious modern-looking design element, and one of the very few that doesn’t need to play off of some established iconic look. The result I think is successful, and manages to not look out of place. I’m hoping the DRL area acts as an indicator as well, but we’ll see.
The taillights are in some ways more interesting, because they’re pushing an old design to some strange new boundaries, but managing to keep it as part of a recognizable lineage.
Wrangler designers, along with maybe Porsche 911 designers, have some of the most rigorous constraints to work in, so it’s especially interesting to look at the little things, and see where they’re stealing their bits of freedom and flexibility.
And now you just read a whole article about Jeep indicators and taillights. You’re the real hero, here.
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2018 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Spotted Undisguised




Jeep recently released the first pictures of the 2018 Wrangler and now we're getting a glimpse at the undisguised Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon.

Posted by the JL Wrangler Forums, the images confirm the model will follow in the footsteps of its predecessor and adopt a unique suspension and off-road tires which will ensure the Wrangler can tackle the toughest trails of Moab.

Jeep is keeping details under wraps but a previous leak of standard equipment revealed the Wrangler Rubicon will be distinguished by a unique grille, a black fuel door cap, and red "Trail Rated" badges. The model will also have Rubicon hood decals and 17-inch alloy wheels with black accents.

Interior changes will be minor but the documents show the Rubicon will have bright accents. Drivers will also find a leather wrapped steering wheel, an automatic climate control system, and LED ambient lighting. Other notable features include USB charging ports and a 7-inch display in the instrument cluster.

Since the Rubicon is designed for off-roading, the model comes with a Rock-Trac four-wheel drive system and unique axles with a 4.10 rear gear ratio. There will also be a unique front stabilizer bar which can be disconnected and a 650 amp AGM battery.

The 2018 Jeep Wrangler will be unveiled on November 29th at the Los Angeles Auto Show.

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Leaked Dealer Info Shows 2018 Jeep Wrangler Paint Options Include 'Nacho,' 'Punk'n,' and 'Mojito!'

The 2018 Jeep Wrangler is apparently your fun uncle with the margarita maker.



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Even though we finally got our first glimpse at the all-new 2018 Jeep Wrangler at SEMA last week, it feels like we already know a whole lot about the next-gen Jeep thanks to a development process that's been leakier than, well, an old Wrangler hard top. We know about the new engine and transmission choices, including an eight-speed automatic and a diesel. We know the interior has been gussied up a bit. We know the windshield still folds down, blessedly. What we haven't known until now is just what colors you'll be able to pick from for your ultimate adventure mobile. "Nacho Clear Coat," anyone?
Just in time for National Nachos Day (seriously), the folks over at JL Wrangler Forums got their hands on another screenshot from an internal Fiat-Chrysler dealer system. This one shows a full list of paint choices for the 2018 Wrangler, doubling the previous confirmed total and giving us a better idea of how the truck will actually look when it hits the streets early next year. According to the screenshot, there are five new clear-coat color choices, four of which are entirely new to Fiat-Chrysler: Nacho, Mojito!, Punk'n Metallic, Ocean Blue Metallic, and Sting-Gray.

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Those join Billet Silver Metallic, Firecracker Red, Granite Crystal Metallic, Bright White, and Black as your palette for painting with all the colors of the Wrangler. Helpfully, JL Wrangler Forums used some sleuth photography from SEMA and a color-matching tool to create the renders seen up top. They also created renders for the four-door version as well, some of which can be seen below.





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