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Eh. Kinda. I mean Boston is on the short list too. Can't compete with MIT and their transit.

KC could be a good contender. But we have too many goddamn idiots that don't want to invest money into the city i.e. airport, light rail, street car, etc. They're all hell bent on "fix er roadz, or fix er werter pipes."
I'm not saying KC is necessarily the best option. I'm just saying it does meet criteria, at least mostly.

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Employees working alongside robots in an Amazon warehouse in Florence, N.J. The state offered Amazon a commitment of up to $7 billion in tax incentives to bring Amazon’s second headquarters to Newark. Credit Bryan Anselm for The New York Times SEATTLE — Amazon said on Thursday that it had whittled the list of possible homes for its second headquarters to 20, including centers of technology like Boston and some surprise locations like Columbus, Ohio.
The full list of finalists leans toward locations in the Midwest and South and on the East Coast, and away from the tech-saturated hubs of the West Coast. It includes: Atlanta; Austin, Tex.; Boston; Chicago; Columbus, Ohio; Dallas; Denver; Indianapolis; Los Angeles; Miami; Montgomery County, Md.; Nashville; Newark; New York; Northern Virginia; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; Raleigh, N.C.; Toronto; and Washington, D.C.
Many of the finalists, including Dallas, Denver, Raleigh, N.C., and Washington, were considered shoo-ins from the moment Amazon announced the search, largely because of the attributes that the company said it was seeking for its second home. Those criteria included a metropolitan area with a population of greater than one million and the ability to attract and keep strong technical talent.
More unexpected was Amazon’s selection of locations not typically thought of as tech centers, such as Columbus, Indianapolis, Miami and Nashville. Los Angeles was the sole city from the West Coast to make the cut.

Just as surprising was Amazon’s rejection of applications from Detroit, Phoenix and San Diego. Although it received bids from regions in Mexico, Amazon narrowed its finalists to just American locations and one city in Canada, Toronto.




Not sure why the NYTs finds Columbus, OH a surprise as it is an outstanding choice for a shipping hub with something like more than 80% of...

How can Amazon consider cities in states that are racist, anti-gay and are trying to destroy our Democracy? Shame on them.


Speaking here as a Seattleite of 22+ years, a small business owner in the city and someone who rents (barely) in the city, you don't...




Terry McAuliffe, the former governor of Virginia, celebrated the acceptance of his state’s bid in a message on Twitter. “Let’s close the deal and bring it home!” he wrote.


The company, based in Seattle, selected the finalists out of a pile of more than 238 applications submitted by local officials in Mexico, Canada and the United States — all of them eager to attract the 50,000 high-paying jobs the company says it could bring. When the unusual public contest was announced in September, it set off a public charm offensive by the applicants, with many local officials trying to entice Amazon with tax breaks and other benefits.
The process will now shift into a new phase, with Amazon representatives communicating more directly with finalist cities as they prepare to select a winner later this year, and perhaps with cities being even more outspoken about why they should be chosen.
“Getting from 238 to 20 was very tough — all the proposals showed tremendous enthusiasm and creativity,” said Holly Sullivan, Amazon’s head of economic development. “Through this process we learned about many new communities across North America that we will consider as locations for future infrastructure investment and job creation.”
Amazon provided little detail about how it picked the finalists for its second headquarters, which it is calling HQ2, other than to say it based it choices on the criteria it laid out for the search earlier.
According to people briefed on the process who would speak only anonymously because the deliberations were private, the process was conducted by a team of about a dozen people within Amazon, including economists, human resources managers and executives who oversee real estate. Jeff Bezos, Amazon’s chief executive who was the mastermind behind turning the search into a public process and coined the term “HQ2,” was also involved, the people said.




Amazon said in September that it needed a second headquarters because it would soon outgrow its hometown, Seattle. Jeff Bezos, Amazon’s chief executive, founded the company there in 1994, and it has since transformed Seattle, employing more than 40,000 in the city. That expansion has also contributed to the city’s soaring cost of living and traffic woes.
To lure applicants, Amazon showered local politicians with statistics about the impact the company has had on the Seattle economy and some of the immediate economic benefits for its new home, including plans to spend $5 billion for construction of its second headquarters.


It asked candidates to include in their bids a variety of detailed information about the area, including potential building sites, crime and traffic stats and nearby recreational opportunities. And it asked cities and states to describe the tax incentives available to offset Amazon’s costs for building and operating its second headquarters.

The response prompted a wave of publicity stunts by cities that surprised even Amazon. A business group in Tucson trucked a giant cactus to Amazon in Seattle, and the mayor of Washington buttered up Amazon in a promotional video in which she called it the “most interesting company in the world.” An economic development group in Calgary, Alberta, took out an advertisement in The Seattle Times in which it offered to fight a bear for Amazon and spray-painted Seattle sidewalks with a humorous promise to change the city’s name to Calmazon or Amagary.
There were also more serious offers, including a commitment of up to $7 billion in tax incentives by New Jersey to bring Amazon to Newark. Officials in Chicago offered Amazon tax credits that would allow it to keep about $1.32 billion in income taxes that employees would ordinarily pay to the state, according to a report by The Chicago Reader.
The process has also attracted critics. Stacy Mitchell, co-director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, a nonprofit organization that serves as an advocate for local businesses, said that local politicians were enhancing Amazon’s image just as the company’s market power was under growing scrutiny from groups like her own.
“As these cities woo and grovel, they are basically communicating this idea that we should want Amazon to be bigger and more powerful in our economy,” Ms. Mitchell said.
In an interview before Amazon announced its list of finalists, Ras Baraka, the mayor of Newark, said Amazon, long criticized in Seattle for its role in a booming economy that has displaced lower-income residents and minorities, had an opportunity to make a statement by selecting a less fortunate city for its new headquarters.
“There’s an opportunity to turn the page here and create a new narrative for the company,” he said.
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tl;dr Kansas City is not on the list.
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Anyone really think kc would realistically have a chance.
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I'm betting it will be Austin or Denver. It'd be good to bring more jobsbut it would also contribute to the ongoing housing crisis out here. Colorado is more of a centralized hub than Texas is. But land is much cheaper in Texas. Probably wouldn't have to pay as high of salaries either for COL.
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I'm betting it will be Austin or Denver. It'd be good to bring more jobsbut it would also contribute to the ongoing housing crisis out here. Colorado is more of a centralized hub than Texas is. But land is much cheaper in Texas. Probably wouldn't have to pay as high of salaries either for COL.
My guess is near DC. He just bought the Washington Post.
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I mean, it's no Hayden Lake, Idaho. That's for sure.
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No, it just doesn't meet the requirements.

I'm guessing either Raleigh or Austin.
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No, it just doesn't meet the requirements.

I'm guessing either Raleigh or Austin.
They won't pick Austin. While major companies (Apple, Dell, Samsung, etc) do have offices there, there isn't enough infrastructure in the city to support someone the size of an Amazon coming in.

I'm leaning more towards Nashville or Dallas. Can't you see Jeff Bezos already strutting out on a stage wearing a cowboy hat?
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The general majority of the places they narrowed it to are shit. You aren’t putting it in New York, Chicago, etc

Denver would be a nightmare as well as austin,Dallas, etc.
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I'm curious why Dallas would be a nightmare in your mind.

Austin definitely would as it's already having a hard time keeping up with it's population growth. Honestly, I see Nashville as being just as bad as Austin.
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Im thinking our airport helps, but our shit mass transit doesnt. Both were two points they said they were really focused on.

Id love for them to to ATL but with the condition that they extend MARTA. Put it out west where there is plenty of land and make ATL extend rail to it. Giving them a main line to the airport. Also both FedEx and UPS has massive hubs out there to begin with and one of the biggest DCs is also in Atlanta.
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Many Kansas Citians were disappointed Thursday when the region did not make Amazon’s list of 20 finalists for the company’s massive second headquarters, known as HQ2.
Not making the cut was a letdown. But Kansas Citians should not despair: The region learned a lot about itself during the process.
There is more to glean from this experience, and local leaders area should study the outcome carefully.
Kansas City was one of nearly 240 communities in the running for HQ2. The area offered a solid, well-considered proposal. Mayor Sly James good-naturedly engaged in a goofy Amazon-based publicity stunt as well.






But the company made clear from the outset that its decision would be based on objective benchmarks: a business-friendly environment, a highly-trained technical workforce, financial incentives, transportation infrastructure and more.


On Thursday, Amazon did not explain why Kansas City — or any other bidder — fell short in these areas. But we can make a guess or two:
▪ Incentives.
Kansas City appears to have offered a standard package of financial incentives for the project, including tax credits, abatements, low-cost financing and the like. Officials in Missouri and Kansas said they would help as well.
But it’s unlikely the area’s package could compete with the $7 billion New Jersey apparently offered Amazon if the company builds there. Newark, by the way, made the cut.
It will be tempting for local boosters to suggest more local incentives would make the region more competitive for future projects. That would be a mistake. Kansas City must balance the cost of incentives against the benefit for the area when it hands out goodies to private firms such as Amazon.


In this case, matching New Jersey’s $7 billion would have been foolish. Amazon’s HQ2 is an important project, but not that important.


▪ Logistics.
Amazon said the winning community would need to provide efficient connections by highway and air. It’s likely Kansas City’s bid met the company’s needs for ground connections.
Work on the airport is another matter. Denver made Amazon’s list, likely in part because of its robust air travel options. So did New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles and Dallas, all cities with strong nonstop service across the nation and the world.
It was always wrong to assume Amazon would come to Kansas City if voters simply approved a new terminal at KCI. Instead, Kansas City must use the new terminal as a way to expand travel options for businesses if it wants to seriously compete for firms like Amazon.
Kansas City also lacks significant fixed-rail mass transit, likely a liability in Amazon’s estimation. On Wednesday, the Greater Kansas City Chamber of Commerce said it wants to focus on work-related transportation in the coming year.
It’s worthy goal. A warning: Fixed-rail transit can be very expensive. That cost must be compared to the benefits from an expanded system.
▪ Stability.
Amazon said it wanted “a stable and business-friendly environment.”
It’s hard to believe the firm was unaware of the ongoing battle over who will build the new terminal at KCI. Would Amazon want to do business with a city so incapable of deciding that issue?
Amazon also would surely know about the budget problems in Kansas and the growing discord and disorder in Missouri government.
Stumbles at the state and local government level are not helpful. In a close competition, dysfunction can be a disaster.
▪ Geography.
There is no shame in landing on the close-but-no-cigar Amazon list. St. Louis lost out, too. So did Minneapolis and Cleveland, Houston and San Francisco. Orlando? Tampa? Not on the list.
In fact, a look at Amazon’s picks shows something of a preference for cities east of the Mississippi. Of the 20 finalists, only four are west of KC (and two of them, Dallas and Austin, are just barely west of us).
Moving Kansas City east is not an option.
But Indianapolis, Columbus, Raleigh and Toronto made the cut. Those cities are comparable to Kansas City in many ways, yet offered something the region could not.
To the best of its ability, Kansas City should study those cities, and that reality, if it wants to compete for major projects like HQ2.
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Denver would be a nightmare as well as austin,Dallas, etc.
How would Denver be a nightmare? Build it out by DIA. Add a stop from the A-Line and guarantee most employees will take the lightrail. Especially if Amazon offered an Ecopass instead of parking permits. Denver probably has some of the best infrastructure out of anyone on the list due to the public transit system. Over 100,000 people move here every here. The city is used to the sudden mass influxes of population. Not like i70 or i25 is going to get much worse than it is...
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How would Denver be a nightmare? Build it out by DIA. Add a stop from the A-Line and guarantee most employees will take the lightrail. Especially if Amazon offered an Ecopass instead of parking permits. Denver probably has some of the best infrastructure out of anyone on the list due to the public transit system. Over 100,000 people move here every here. The city is used to the sudden mass influxes of population. Not like i70 or i25 is going to get much worse than it is...
Traffic is a nightmare already in and around Denver. I’m sure weather is a factor too.
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I'm kind of hoping it's not Raleigh. There's too many people flocking to the triangle as is, I can't imagine what Amazon would do. The infrastructure around Raleigh is at least 10 years behind where it should be. All three interstates are undergoing major construction just to meet the current demand. There's a lot in Amazon's favor, though. The triangle is a huge tech hub, convenient to everything, and has a great airport that's close.

I'm glad I live at the beach. I'm being selfish in that don't want another 50,000 people traveling to the coast every weekend. Damn Yankees coming here are bad enough.
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Kansas City would be perfect. There's a logistics place called KC Smart Port and one of the things they tout is that they can reach something like 85% of the US from Kansas within 2 days. Since two day shipping is Amazon's thing, you would think that they would want to be smack dab in the middle of the US.

I was kind of hoping they built here because I want a job with them lol.
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The infrastructure nightmare of Austin, Denver, Newark, NYC, Raleigh, Chicago, etc would cripple most places.

I know they want an international airport xxx distance away, transportation hubs, etc.

Why wouldn't they look at Memphis, isn't that Fed-ex's hub?
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It is, yes. That is why I think Nashville has a legitimate shot. The main UPS hub is in Louisville so Nashville would sit in the middle between Louisville and Memphis.
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