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At least 13 dead and 50 injured as van rams through crowd in Barcelona, Spain.

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Holy shit, I was just reading about this and it said only 1 person had died.
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Depends on if you are reading CNN or Fox
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Sounds more chaotic than what the MSM is reporting.

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Spanish here, from Barcelona. Let me add more info:

*The incident has been in the fucking center of the city, in the most crowded place: las Ramblas in front of the Fnac, there's a red light while crossing a van runs over dozens of people leaving a lot of them injured, police are over the place and tell shops to close with all people inside. The van crushed in front of a kiosk and the man ran away.

*It's in catalan but this is the live stream from the local tv http://www.ccma.cat/tv3/directe/tv3/

*2 armed in a bar "LUNA DE ISTANBUL" with hostages police already in negotiations. Police say there's no attackers inside. Video shows otherwise.

*Spanish media confirms this is a terrorist attack.

*Police attempting to find the terrorist, video from the Raval (zone next to the Ramblas): https://twitter.com/miguelglezRTPA/s...12459533803520

*2 white vans were rented from same people news said, trying to find the second before anything bad happen.

* Second van founded in VIC, (city near barcelona), media confirms

Both videos removed but:

*video shows one person getting arrested while another shouts that he has weapons in his bag.
http://www.elnacional.cat/uploads/s1...20detencio.mp4 while it lasts
*another video showing policeman getting shot.
*police say the attacker is from french nationality and lived in the frontier between catalunya and france.




*more than 20 deaths so far (spanish newspaper source) // 2 armed inside a shop // PLEASE THIS IS A [NMS] video !! so be aware before opening it https://twitter.com/necatulu21/status/89820759314292326

*videos getting down cause police&media says it's not recommended to share it, keeping it very serious want to show respect to the victims

*MAX DIFUSION: this is the man that supposedly attacked: https://twitter.com/telecincoes/stat...239106/photo/1 THIS IS DRISS OUKABIR, police said he already had been arrested before, was living in Ripollet recently

*RUMOUR not in media yet! Police lost 3 armed people in the center could appear anywhere so it's recommended to stay safe and not appear near the center. Please for god sake stay safe.

*ROMOUR 2 shots fired in LA BOQUERIA market in la rambla, no video yet, says people screaming and police got shot too there, they said its dead

*video from a guy saying a police has been shot, blood over the street https://mobile.twitter.com/Aurivis/s...na-591214%2F42
Man who shot already arrested. There's a photo, but got down fast http://i.imgur.com/OXlvU0r.jpg

*HOSTAGES BEING FREED: https://streamable.com/yvk1w

*3 policmen hit by a car right now

*RUMOUR 3 lots of shots heard in Diagonal Mar.

*another arrested: http://i.imgur.com/56ELvfn.jpg. Photo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHc2wcjXsAMvmnE.jpg

*been an hour no news, right now a lot of police moved to Plaça Universitat with weapons, a lot of people running from there

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13 have died. And I'm not sure if you would call this a terrorist attack. Locals in Spain are protesting tourism. They are driving up rents in the area, increase in litter and drunk, lewd behavior.
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13 have died. And I'm not sure if you would call this a terrorist attack. Locals in Spain are protesting tourism. They are driving up rents in the area, increase in litter and drunk, lewd behavior.
Well the driver of the van was an illegal from Morocco, which is a country made up mostly of muslims.

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Just waiting for this to be Trump's fault.
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13 have died. And I'm not sure if you would call this a terrorist attack. Locals in Spain are protesting tourism. They are driving up rents in the area, increase in litter and drunk, lewd behavior.
In what regard is this not a terrorist attack?

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Well the driver of the van was an illegal from Morocco, which is a country made up mostly of muslims.

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Doesn't have to be a muslim to be a terrorist.
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Not sure what you're getting at, here. You two are implying that it's only a terrorist attack if they're muslim. I'm just saying that it can still be a terrorist attack if they aren't muslim.
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Not sure what you're getting at, here. You two are implying that it's only a terrorist attack if they're muslim. I'm just saying that it can still be a terrorist attack if they aren't muslim.
Please show me where I implied that it can ONLY be a terrorist attack if their muslim?

I believe I simply implied that it was a terrorist attack where as Jewels said it wasn't.

One of the things I based this on was the attackers country of origin and the religion practiced by said country. I mean, Muslim extremists driving large trucks into people isn't exactly a new thing. I kinda have a precedent to base my hunches off of.
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Doesn't have to be a muslim to be a terrorist.
Angry school shooter style. Domestic terrorism.

The story I read this am about Barcelona's tourism said there are generally protestors out against tourism. There have been some tire slashing incidents, etc..

Question is motive. While he was from Morocco, it sounds like he lived in spain. So did he do for political / religious reasons? In hopes of inciting terror?

Or was he pissed that he couldn't find a place to live because it's all AirBnB?
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And I've noticed a certain reluctance in reporting this happened in a high tourist area.
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Please show me where I implied that it can ONLY be a terrorist attack if their muslim?

I believe I simply implied that it was a terrorist attack where as Jewels said it wasn't.

One of the things I based this on was the attackers country of origin and the religion practiced by said country. I mean, Muslim extremists driving large trucks into people isn't exactly a new thing. I kinda have a precedent to base my hunches off of.
Because your response was "he was muslim, so ya it was a terrorist attack"

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Angry school shooter style. Domestic terrorism.

The story I read this am about Barcelona's tourism said there are generally protestors out against tourism. There have been some tire slashing incidents, etc..

Question is motive. While he was from Morocco, it sounds like he lived in spain. So did he do for political / religious reasons? In hopes of inciting terror?

Or was he pissed that he couldn't find a place to live because it's all AirBnB?
It sounds like there were several people and this was an organized effort. This was a terrorist attack, regardless if it is because of protesters angry about housing costs or if it was a muslim extremist.
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Please show me where I implied that it can ONLY be a terrorist attack if their muslim?

I believe I simply implied that it was a terrorist attack where as Jewels said it wasn't.

One of the things I based this on was the attackers country of origin and the religion practiced by said country. I mean, Muslim extremists driving large trucks into people isn't exactly a new thing. I kinda have a precedent to base my hunches off of.
I didn't say wasn't. I said I wasn't sure.

Because I withhold making a decision on something until all the facts are in.

Facts aren't in. I haven't decided...
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This is definitely Trumps fault.

This driver was clearly emboldened by the lack of chastising the Charlottesville driver received.
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ISIS claims responsibility, 13 dead so far, 50 injured. Ran a van into a bunch of people. Fucking sad. 2 suspects arrested.


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Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the Barcelona attack, the group’s Amaq propaganda news agency said.

“The perpetrators of the Barcelona attack are soldiers of the Islamic State and carried out the operation in response to calls for targeting coalition states,” the agency said, referring to a United States-led coalition against the Sunni militant group.

Isis claims of responsibility are unreliable, and do not necessarily indicate a direct connection between the attacker or attackers and the terror group.

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The centre of Barcelona remains in lockdown. Crowds of onlookers have gathered at the police tapes that cordon off a large area of the city around Las Ramblas and Plaça Catalunya.

But most residents have stayed at home, busy checking up on friends and family. Aside from the clatter of a helicopter overhead the streets of this normally lively and noisy city are empty.

Rebeca, who works in the Hotel Lloret, said:

It’s tragic, I saw people on the ground who had been run over and other people running and crying. The van drove down the centre running over everyone. We can’t go out now and our guests are scared and crying because they don’t know where their relatives are.

Albert Tort, 47, a nurse who lives in Las Ramblas, said he witnessed the attack.

The police wouldn’t let me through until I identified myself as a health worker. What I saw was a total disaster. I saw at least six people dead and I tried to revive a young man but it was impossible.

Ellen Vercamm, who is on holiday in the city, said:

We were just outside the Hard Rock Café on our way to the Rambla when we saw a white van crashing into people. It threw people into the air.

Meanwhile Felipe VI, the Spanish king, has tweeted: “All of Spain is Barcelona. Las Ramblas will be for everyone once again.”
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Well poop, I put my post in politics section and it was moved here.

Isis claims it.
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How about you guys wait and see where all the facts fall into place before assuming these individuals are Muslim or believe ISIS?
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Could still be domestic terrorism
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How about you guys wait and see where all the facts fall into place before assuming these individuals are Muslim or believe ISIS?
being from morocco probably guarentee's it was a muslim but waiting for more information doesn't hurt.

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