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Leaks are everywhere. MoCo may confirm or deny officially later today. Pretty neat idea, wonder how well it will do.

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MILWAUKEE — Harley-Davidson will unveil its first electric motorcycle next week, and President Matt Levatich said he expects the company known for its big touring bikes and iconic brand to become a leader in developing technology and standards for electric vehicles.
Harley will show handmade demonstration models Monday at an invitation-only event in New York. The company will then take several dozen riders on a 30-city tour to test drive the bikes and provide feedback. Harley will use the information it gathers to continue refining the bike, which might not hit the market for several more years.
The venture is a risk for Harley because there’s currently almost no market for full-size electric motorcycles. The millions of two-wheeled electric vehicles sold each year are almost exclusively scooters and low-powered bikes that appeal to Chinese commuters. But one analyst said investment by a major manufacturer could help create demand, and Levatich emphasized in an interview with The Associated Press that Harley is interested in the long-term potential, regardless of immediate demand.
“We think that the trends in both EV technology and customer openness to EV products, both automotive and motorcycles, is only going to increase, and when you think about sustainability and environmental trends, we just see that being an increasing part of the lifestyle and the requirements of riders,” Levatich said. “So, nobody can predict right now how big that industry will be or how significant it will be.”
At the same time, Levatich and others involved in creating the sleek, futuristic LiveWire predicted it would sell based on performance, not environmental awareness. With no need to shift gears, the slim, sporty bike can go from 0 to 60 mph in about 4 seconds. The engine is silent, but the meshing of gears emits a hum like a jet airplane taking off.
“Some people may get on it thinking, ‘golf cart,’” lead engineer Jeff Richlen said. “And they get off thinking, ‘rocket ship.’”
One hurdle the company has yet to address is the limited range offered by electric motorcycles. The batteries must be recharged after about 130 miles, and that can take 30 minutes to an hour.
San Jose State University police Capt. Alan Cavallo helped his department buy two bikes from Zero Motorcycles, the current top-selling brand, and said officers have been “super happy” with the quiet, environmentally friendly bikes made nearby in Scotts Valley, California. But he said American riders who like to hit the highway would likely lose patience with the technology.
“That’s the deal with the cars; you can’t jump in a Tesla and drive to LA, it won’t make it,” Cavallo said, adding later, “People want the convenience of ‘I pull into a gas station, I pour some gas in my tank and I go.’”
Zero Motorcycles introduced its first full-size motorcycle in 2010 and expects to sell about 2,400 bikes this year, said Scott Harden, the company’s vice president of global marketing. That would give it about half of the global market for full-size, high-powered electric motorcycles.
In comparison, Harley-Davidson alone sold more than 260,000 conventional motorcycles last year. But John Gartner, a research director for the consulting firm Navigant Research, said having large, well-funded companies get into the electric motorcycle market could give it a significant boost. The major automakers helped drive sales for hybrid and electric cars, he noted.
“Their marketing budgets are much larger and they have dealerships set up everywhere, and so it’s much easier for companies like Ford, BMW and Honda to advertise about their electric vehicles,” he said.
Levatich said true growth will require common standards for rapid charging and other features, as well as places for people to plug in. Harley expects to play a key role in developing electric vehicle standards, and its dealership network could provide charging stations to serve all drivers, he said.
“We’ve been very silent up to this point about our investment in EV technology,” Levatich said. “... but now that we’re public, and we’re in this space, we expect to be involved and a part of leading the development of the standards, and the technology and the infrastructure necessary to further the acceptance and the utility of electric vehicles.”
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I think it looks sweeeeet. Would ride.
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Awesome! I hope it is all true. I am sure a lot will hate it, but damn, this type of thing is awesome. Keep moving forward. I would love to see more electric bikes come out with longer ranges and lower prices.
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Love everything about it besides the fake chrome oil pan thing at the bottom. That frame looks incredible.
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Love everything about it besides the fake chrome oil pan thing at the bottom. That frame looks incredible.
It does look neat. I like the rear fender. Definitely different.
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Im no bike guy but that does look sexy. However, a part of me thinks an electric harley is kind of sacriligious
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Is that the case for the motor?
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Is that the case for the motor?
No clue, but I think it looks tacky and cheapens the look of the rest of the bike.
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Have they talked at all about pricing yet?
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Still just a concept / market test. I think it may be production ready with a couple tweaks, but it's more about seeing what everyone says about it.
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Guys around here are flipping a shit, youd think they had just moved all production to Mexico.

I love the concept of electric bikes, just not the bikes themselves. Or specifically, the bike you get for the money. The Zeros are awesome bikes but I cant spend $10k on a bike that can ONLY be in the city because of a 78 mile range (if youre nice).

Once they get that same range but be more like 5 I would have one, imagine no gas and almost no heat in Atlanta traffic, sign me the fuck up. I couldnt sell either of my current bikes though, the MV is too awesome and I would still need the Guzzi for road trips.
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Guys around here are flipping a shit, youd think they had just moved all production to Mexico.

I love the concept of electric bikes, just not the bikes themselves. Or specifically, the bike you get for the money. The Zeros are awesome bikes but I cant spend $10k on a bike that can ONLY be in the city because of a 78 mile range (if youre nice).

Once they get that same range but be more like 5 I would have one, imagine no gas and almost no heat in Atlanta traffic, sign me the fuck up. I couldnt sell either of my current bikes though, the MV is too awesome and I would still need the Guzzi for road trips.
The new Zero can go up to 170 miles...

They are expensive for what you get at the moment. I think Harley would have a lot better luck if it had the range of 120-170 miles, as 50 is going to be tough to justify. A lot of people enjoy rides that go out of town a little ways, poker runs, etc., and 50 miles will not usually get that done.
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The new Zero can go up to 170 miles...
Well, yeah if its kitted out for a whopping $17,500.

You know what else i can get for that kind of money?

This, taxes paid, with a full tank of gas and a new helmet:


I want alternative fuels/electric to work, just right now I dont have the kind of money to spend on something that is only good as a commute to work or to ride to bike night and pose.
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I should say that, if anyone can pull it off now, its Harley. People pay so much for the brand that they are already used to not doing the simple "value for money" shopping, so they would be one of the few groups (outside of hollywood) that could easily be sold on them.
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Well, yeah if its kitted out for a whopping $17,500.

You know what else i can get for that kind of money?

This, taxes paid, with a full tank of gas and a new helmet:


I want alternative fuels/electric to work, just right now I dont have the kind of money to spend on something that is only good as a commute to work or to ride to bike night and pose.
I am not a sport bike guy, but that is a good looking bike.

I agree, that right now the electric bike is not real cost effective, but I do think that Zero has an upper hand on the harley with a range that is 3+ times what HD's is. That is the only way to make a bike like that practical.
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Issue is its really not on them, its the electrical engineers that are going to make it happen. We have to find a way to store more energy cheaply and reliably. You can already get great motors, they fit well into chassis, and you can even mitigate the weight of the batteries.

But nothing can really help that you can only go on a short cruise and then have to stay overnight before you can ride again.
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....then have to stay overnight before you can ride again.
This is the larger problem that needs to be fixed before electric anything is really a viable alternative. Need an Elec filling station that can drop a charge in something in about 5 min. However, there's other issues there that would need addressed also, like standard plug ins and what not.

It's a neat concept, and I'm impressed they have enough vision to look this far forward, but I think the product as a whole is several years out still.
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This is the larger problem that needs to be fixed before electric anything is really a viable alternative. Need an Elec filling station that can drop a charge in something in about 5 min. However, there's other issues there that would need addressed also, like standard plug ins and what not.

It's a neat concept, and I'm impressed they have enough vision to look this far forward, but I think the product as a whole is several years out still.
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I dig the hell out of it for multiple reasons.

1. The bike looks light and it's said between 75-80hp.
2. The upside to an electronic motor would be instant torque.
3.It looks pretty damn sick!
4. It sounds like batman's bike.

Now would I buy one? Kinda doubt it, but I'd love to ride it!

I think it's basically Harley flexing their R&D muscles. Showing everyone this isn't the 70s anymore.
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They could be more feasable with a bike, since the pack would only be a couple of hundred pounds. But still, its not like you would have little stations every 70 miles along the blue ridge parkway stocking multiple packs for every make and model out there. Everyone would need a standard. And the energy density is shit, so a station that could fill up a few thousand cars from an underground tank would need a huge warehouse to support the same numbers.

Im really hoping hydrogen becomes viable. The energy density is much closer to gasoline, it can be compressed and moved as a fluid and can be as safely stored as gasoline. The big obstacle right now is producing it, creating it from water takes a lot of energy so we make it from natural gas at the moment.
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