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This might be the dumbest fucking argument I've ever seen here.

Maybe anywhere.
Funny I didn't hear your answer. You're either OK letting 1000 fertilized eggs burn (this is the camp I'm in) or you're OK letting a living child burn to death. Which is it?
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Killing innocent babies is the most disgusting fucking thing I can think of.
Fetuses are not babies.
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So if I'm brain dead and I don't have a machine to keep me breathing my heart will still beat?
This is absolutely, 100% possible.
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Genetically speaking,what are they then?
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The GOP is willing to find the CHP program but the Dems are still shutting down the government thus allowing these poor needy children to die.
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You guys have ruined a perfectly crappy thread... so no harm/foul.

I did hear a GOP congressman today on NPR say it this way... while it's not entirely fair... it does do a good job of copying Phreak's style... just spun the other way... paraphrasing...

"If the DNC shuts down the government, they will be doing it because they are choosing to put the needs of 800,000 dreamer "kids", ahead of 9 MILLION American chidlren who will lose their health insurance."
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You guys have ruined a perfectly crappy thread... so no harm/foul.

I did hear a GOP congressman today on NPR say it this way... while it's not entirely fair... it does do a good job of copying Phreak's style... just spun the other way... paraphrasing...

"If the DNC shuts down the government, they will be doing it because they are choosing to put the needs of 800,000 dreamer "kids", ahead of 9 MILLION American chidlren who will lose their health insurance."
I'm going to have to agree CHIP and avoiding a shut down is far more important than DACA. I honestly don't know enough about either sides demands to determine which is in the right.
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Genetically speaking,what are they then?
Genetically speaking? That doesn't make sense. That's not a thing.

Medically speaking a fetus and a baby are two completely separate stages of development. They are not the same thing.
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You guys have ruined a perfectly crappy thread... so no harm/foul.

I did hear a GOP congressman today on NPR say it this way... while it's not entirely fair... it does do a good job of copying Phreak's style... just spun the other way... paraphrasing...

"If the DNC shuts down the government, they will be doing it because they are choosing to put the needs of 800,000 dreamer "kids", ahead of 9 MILLION American chidlren who will lose their health insurance."
this was going to be their argument the entire time and why I made the thread...

if they gave a single, solitary fuck about this program or those kids they could've put the funding in that ridiculous tax bill and it would've actually helped them out since they were trying to squeak it under the budget caps of only adding $1.5T to the deficit.

but they didn't because they don't actually care all that much about the CHIP program except for using it to get other priorities into the bill that they want. that's not partisanship that's just basic logic given their actions to date.
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but they didn't because they don't actually care all that much about the CHIP program except for using it to get other priorities into the bill that they want. that's not partisanship that's just basic logic given their actions to date.
Just as the Dems could remove the DACA chain migration demand from the bill to allow the CHIP program to be funded.
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Just as the Dems could remove the DACA chain migration demand from the bill to allow the CHIP program to be funded.
and right now, Republicans don't have 50 (+1) votes on their own in the Senate to pass it so despite your unending desire to blame everything on 'libs' the bill would presumably still fail in the Senate without their help.
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Genetically speaking? That doesn't make sense. That's not a thing.

Medically speaking a fetus and a baby are two completely separate stages of development. They are not the same thing.
Genetics isn't a thing....??
Medically speaking a child and an adult are at two different stages of development. I guess that makes them not the same thing.
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and right now, Republicans don't have 50 (+1) votes on their own in the Senate to pass it so despite your unending desire to blame everything on 'libs' the bill would presumably still fail in the Senate without their help.
We have too many libs (Rhinos) in the GOP, so yes, I'll still pin it on the Dems.
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Answer your own question first.

If there was a baby, screaming, crying, and coughing from smoke right next to a crate with some tubes with fertilized eggs in them... you can only pick one... which one to you save?
The statement you made here clearly shows this is an emotional case for you.
"A baby, screaming, crying, and coughing from smoke"

What does that have anything to do with your decision? It doesn't matter what the baby is doing. Crying, or not, it will still die/live. All those fertilized eggs will eventually cry as well, when they develop that ability.

Curious, are you an atheist?
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The statement you made here clearly shows this is an emotional case for you.
"A baby, screaming, crying, and coughing from smoke"

What does that have anything to do with your decision? It doesn't matter what the baby is doing. Crying, or not, it will still die/live. All those fertilized eggs will eventually cry as well, when they develop that ability.

Curious, are you an atheist?
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US government shutdown....over illegals being prioritized over real American citizens.


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The statement you made here clearly shows this is an emotional case for you.
"A baby, screaming, crying, and coughing from smoke"

What does that have anything to do with your decision? It doesn't matter what the baby is doing. Crying, or not, it will still die/live. All those fertilized eggs will eventually cry as well, when they develop that ability.

Curious, are you an atheist?
Alright, a baby doing whatever in your mind, sitting quietly. You still haven't answered the question.

I don't consider myself an athiest, no. (See? Easy to answer questions)
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Alright, a baby doing whatever in your mind, sitting quietly. You still haven't answered the question.

I don't consider myself an athiest, no. (See? Easy to answer questions)

I could easily see myself 10 years down the road looking at a thousand children and telling them that I sacrificed one child so that they all could live.

Not that tough of a decision.
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Alright, a baby doing whatever in your mind, sitting quietly. You still haven't answered the question.

I don't consider myself an athiest, no. (See? Easy to answer questions)
My moral conscience would say grab the child, but moral logic would say to grab the fertilized eggs.

I asked if you were atheist simply because it's hard to argue moral grounds with one.
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I'd grab the child.

Unfertilized eggs are just that.

A fetus is a being. Simply because it's inside of another body doesn't justify crushing its skull and sucking it out of a uterus with a vaccum.

Idgaf how Dems justify it to themselves.

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I'd grab the child.

I fertilized eggs are just that.

A fetus is a being. Simply because it's inside of another body doesn't justify crushing its skull and sucking it out of a uterus with a vaccum.

Idgaf how Dems justify it to themselves.
It's really just a loaded question, typical of pro-choicers. They think by you picking the child it proves they're right on what constitutes life. Have them hold a late term abortion in there hand, and see if they say it's not a human.
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"Fun fact about CHIP, CBO found that extending it indefinitely would actually save the government money. This is a weird follow-on effect of the tax heist bill passed late last year. Ending the ACA individual mandate causes ACA premiums to balloon, and if the children who should have CHIP are on ACA instead the government is still obligated to give them subsidies for these new larger premiums. It's actually much cheaper just to find CHIP and keep them on that."
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Scooby wouldn't gaf, it's just matter to him. As long as it's murdered inside, he's cool with it
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Scooby wouldn't gaf, it's just matter to him. As long as it's murdered inside, he's cool with it
He wants his cake, and to eat it too.
He doesn't realize his materialism (atheisim) drives him to justify his belief. Then all of a sudden, as soon as the baby is born, he abandons this materialist belief system and adopts this "Christian" moral belief system. Then like magic these "cells" are worth caring for because they have all the "scientific" criteria met for him.
Babies start out as a single cell then multiply and so on. The very first LIFE (i.e. living organism) on earth started out as a single cell. You see, it's this notion in his head what he feels like something should "look like" to justify its being. It's like saying a seed isn't a living thing, but the flower it produces is.
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He wants his cake, and to eat it too.
He doesn't realize his materialism (atheisim) drives him to justify his belief. Then all of a sudden, as soon as the baby is born, he abandons this materialist belief system and adopts this "Christian" moral belief system. Then like magic these "cells" are worth caring for because they have all the "scientific" criteria met for him.
Babies start out as a single cell then multiply and so on. The very first LIFE (i.e. living organism) on earth started out as a single cell. You see, it's this notion in his head what he feels like something should "look like" to justify its being. It's like saying a seed isn't a living thing, but the flower it produces is.
You guys aren't even close to being on the same mental acuity to be able to presume to understand how my thought processes work. Not...even...close. Carry on.
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