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going to vegas tonight, not worried in the least for repeat stuff. Everybody is freaking out on that. I have a better chance of being shot in Wichita than Vegas.

Should be interesting with the increased police presence on the strip.
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Nothing of extreme note happened in Oct of 2016. That's when 2 of the Presidential Debates between Clinton and Trump were. Other than that, nada. Got to November and Trump wins the election.
True, but the article didn't say he bought his first gun in October, only that it is the beginning of the time period of greatest interest.

The FBI has chosen their words very carefully on that one. I would be very interested to know when he actually started to buy those 33 guns.

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This man's hate is key. I'm blown away how no one new he hated something with such passion.
So am I. I'm also surprised in regards to the lack of online footprint. You would think someone with that much hate would eventually vent at some point.

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True, but the article didn't say he bought his first gun in October, only that it is the beginning of the time period of greatest interest.

The FBI has chosen their words very carefully on that one. I would be very interested to know when he actually started to buy those 33 guns.
Not sure why you think that he bought his first gun in October. The quote you posted doesn't say that and this article states that he has been acquiring weapons for a long time: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/u...-shooting.html

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Edit: just reread your post and noticed I misunderstood what you said.. that he didn't say he bought his first gun in oct.

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NRA: Is backing a review by the ATF on the Bumpfire stock
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Iím ok with it. The bumpfire stock is just a skirt on the ban of automatic weapons. Itís only use is to wildly fire a bunch of rounds with low accuracy.
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I've shot full auto, semi-auto and 3 rnd burst ... I got to shoot a bumpfire a couple years ago and wasn't a fan.

People can view it as skirting the law but when the ATF reviewed them they gave it an OK

The ATF can review I again

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Paddock reportedly had been stockpiling firearms since 1982 and purchased 33 guns in the past year.

Paddock was seen with another woman, who was not his girlfriend, in the days before the shooting. (maybe the one in the crowd telling people they were going to die)
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While no one who is serious about firearms in the gun community will really care about this because we all know this is a puff piece based on emotions and that the bump fire stock sucks, the NRA is just willing to sell us out because it's it seems they don't care about their members. I'm not a member and never will be.

Also, bump fire stocks are a gimmick, I owned one and it's a giant waste of money. It's clunky, doesn't work well unless you constantly train with it and it's still gimmicky once you get used to it.
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yeah I thought it was a waste of time when I shot one
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While no one who is serious about firearms in the gun community will really care about this because we all know this is a puff piece based on emotions and that the bump fire stock sucks, the NRA is just willing to sell us out because it's it seems they don't care about their members. I'm not a member and never will be.

Also, bump fire stocks are a gimmick, I owned one and it's a giant waste of money. It's clunky, doesn't work well unless you constantly train with it and it's still gimmicky once you get used to it.
Couldnt agree more, a friend of mine built an ar with a slidefire he got an insane deal on, and I thought it was more useless than he did. Ive rented a full auto ar at a local range before, and the 2 guns shot nothing alike. I hope the emotive fallout from this shooting doesnt extend out to the enhanced trigger market though, but if it does, I hope they just go after the taccon 3MR.
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Mr. Paddock obviously found an effective use for it.
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Mr. Paddock obviously found an effective use for it.
if you have long fingers or bigger hands they can work. my smaller hands didn't allow it to work well. plus its all over the place.

we know assface fuckwad found a use for it, unfortunately that came at the expense of innocent people's live's.

anyone who is serious in the gun community pretty much makes fun of the bump fire stocks and we all know its a gimmick. mostly newbies & teenagers love them because they tend to be the most enamored with fake full auto.
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I've shot full auto, semi-auto and 3 rnd burst ... I got to shoot a bumpfire a couple years ago and wasn't a fan.

People can view it as skirting the law but when the ATF reviewed them they gave it an OK

The ATF can review I again
It is ďskirtingĒ. The ATF doesnít make the law, so they can only enforce what the law currently says. All the bumpfire stock does is expose holes in the current law on the ban of automatic firearms. Nobody can sit there and say that the bumpstock doesnít go against the intent of the law.

Not that this would really fix anything. (Probably could have gotten off just as many shots with a quick trigger finger).
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It is “skirting”. The ATF doesn’t make the law, so they can only enforce what the law currently says. All the bumpfire stock does is expose holes in the current law on the ban of automatic firearms. Nobody can sit there and say that the bumpstock doesn’t go against the intent of the law.

Not that this would really fix anything. (Probably could have gotten off just as many shots with a quick trigger finger).
You obviously are not into guns like others. You don't know the ATF very well if you think they don't make new rules when they want to. They write them and suddenly BAM, a once legal product is now illegal to own. They are one of the only agencies to get away with it and they go almost unchecked. It took years for the ATF to get busted and shut down thier slush fund thru fake businesses they had set up to pay for agents vacations and other personal items. The ATF is honestly just the one agency that can be gotten rid of or absorbed into the FBI. A 4473 NICS check is conducted by the FBI already. They are a truly useless agency.
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You obviously are not into guns like others. You don't know the ATF very well if you think they don't make new rules when they want to. They write them and suddenly BAM, a once legal product is now illegal to own. They are one of the only agencies to get away with it and they go almost unchecked. It took years for the ATF to get busted and shut down thier slush fund thru fake businesses they had set up to pay for agents vacations and other personal items. The ATF is honestly just the one agency that can be gotten rid of or absorbed into the FBI. A 4473 NICS check is conducted by the FBI already. They are a truly useless agency.
Huh? While Iím not a range rat, I shoot almost once a month. No, I donít subscribe to gun mags and live it breath it. What I said was true. The ATF nor the FBI does not make law. They interpret law, and itís up to whoever is charged with their interpretation to defend themselves in court. That was my point. The ATF reviewed the law as written and decided they canít enforce or charge anyone with a bumpstock the way the current law is written.
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On the slide fire topic, the one I tried didn't work either. Maybe a 4-5 round cycle of rapid fire otherwise clunky and a novelty. Hard to justify a part that's used by 99.999999999% of the population as a fun way to burn off some ammo with friends in the wake of an event like this though.
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Las Vegas gunman may have scoped out other music festivals

Gunman Stephen Paddock rented rooms overlooking two other music festivals in Las Vegas and Chicago, authorities said. (Photo courtesy of Eric Paddock via AP)

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Investigators are looking into whether gunman Stephen Paddock scoped out bigger music festivals in Las Vegas and Chicago — and perhaps Boston's Fenway Park — before setting up his perch in a casino hotel and raining deadly fire on country music fans.
Paddock booked rooms overlooking the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago in August and the Life Is Beautiful show near the Vegas Strip in late September, according to authorities reconstructing his movements before he undertook the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
It was not clear if he contemplated massacres at those sites.
Investigators looking into Paddock also came across mention of Fenway Park, Boston police Lt. Detective Mike McCarthy said, though he provided no further details.
The details came to light as investigators struggled to figure out why the high-stakes gambler opened fire on a crowd of 22,000 Sunday night from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel casino in Las Vegas. He killed 58 people and injured nearly 500 before taking his own life.
A federal official said authorities are looking into the possibility Paddock planned additional attacks, including a car bombing. The official wasn't authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Authorities previously disclosed Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition in his car, along with fertilizer that can be used to make explosives and 50 pounds of Tannerite, a substance used in explosive rifle targets.
In the meantime, Las Vegas police announced Thursday that they had found a Hyundai Tuscon they had been searching for as part of the probe while executing a search warrant at the home in Reno that Paddock shared with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley. It wasn't immediately clear if the car was found on Thursday or earlier in the week when police searched the home and found several guns and ammunition.
Paddock had an arsenal of 23 weapons in his hotel room. A dozen of them included "bump stocks," attachments that can effectively convert semi-automatic rifles into fully automated weapons.
In a rare concession on gun control, the National Rifle Association announced its support Thursday for regulating the devices.
Danley told FBI agents Wednesday she had not noticed any changes in his mental state or indications he could become violent, the federal official said.
Paddock sent Danley on a trip to her native Philippines before the attack, and she was unaware of his plans and devastated when she learned of the carnage while overseas, she said in a statement.
Investigators combing through his background for clues remain stumped as to his motive.
The profile developed so far is of a "disturbed and dangerous" man who acquired an arsenal over decades, Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said. But investigators have been frustrated to find that he lived a "secret life," Lombardo said, "much of which will never be fully understood."
A former executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort and Spa in Reno said Paddock had a "god complex" and expected quick service without regard to how busy the staff was at the time.
"He liked everybody to think that he was the guy," John Weinreich said. "He didn't boast about anything he had or anything. It was just his demeanor. It was like, 'I'm here. Don't cross me. Don't look at me too long.' "
The weekend before the massacre, he rented a room through Airbnb at the 21-story Ogden condominiums in downtown Las Vegas and stayed there during a music festival below that included Chance the Rapper, Muse, Lorde and Blink-182.
"Reasons that ran through Paddock's mind is unknown, but it was directly at the same time as Life Is Beautiful," the sheriff said.
Police were reviewing video shot at the high-rise to check Paddock's movements. His renting the condo was curious because, as a high-roller, he could have easily gotten a free room at one of the casino hotels on the Vegas Strip.
In early August, Paddock booked a room at Chicago's 21-story Blackstone Hotel that overlooked the park where the Lollapalooza alternative music festival was being held, though there's no evidence he actually stayed there, a law enforcement official said Thursday.
The official was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity after being briefed on the investigation.
The hotel confirmed a Stephen Paddock made a reservation but said he never checked in.
Lollapalooza draws hundreds of thousands of music fans every year to Grant Park.
Although Paddock killed himself as a SWAT team closed in, the sheriff said it appeared he had planned to survive and had an escape plan. Lombardo would not elaborate on the plan.
The coroner's office in Las Vegas would not release details of its autopsy on Paddock. Some behavioral experts have wondered whether he suffered from some kind of brain abnormality or had a terminal illness that prompted him to lash out.
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Probably ought to throw the sig arm brace on the ban list as well. These accessories are only skirting the law, and they all know it.
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Besides the walking corpse commentary, this article briefly talks about how it seems to ATF didn’t even understand what the bump stock was when they approved it in 2010


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Rick Vasquez, a former ATF official who signed off on the recommendation, described the device as “a goofy, little doodad”.
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so a lot of finger pointing is going to happen
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It’s funny watching the butthurt on Facebook from bump stock supporters talking about how they’re ditching the nra because they agreed to ban them. Amazing how there’s a great deal of people who are farther right than the fucking nra.
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Obama didn’t take my guns? Fuck. What was I so outraged for all these years
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No, you should be outraged now that he didn't take bumpfire stocks.
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