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He was willing to die for his cause. His cause is that he wants guns off the streets. Proving a point. His attack on what woukd be considered to have a high percentage of right-leaning concert goers. His hope is that this will be a wake up moment for conservatives to get off the gun train.
Can you back that up with evidence, or are you jumping the gun (maybe too soon for this pun) and simply making ASSumptions?
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Can you back that up with evidence, or are you jumping the gun (maybe too soon for this pun) and simply making ASSumptions?
Ive watched almost every episode of law and order and took a 200 psychology class in college.
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Can you back that up with evidence, or are you jumping the gun (maybe too soon for this pun) and simply making ASSumptions?
While not 100% conclusive, I feel that this hypothesis best supports the current, released evidence.
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While not 100% conclusive, I feel that this hypothesis best supports the current, released evidence.
Why? Because it's a country concert?
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While not 100% conclusive, I feel that this hypothesis best supports the current, released evidence.

What do you think about the alleged Antifa connections? Think there is anything going on there?
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400 yds is 1200ft. His main kill box was around 1000ft. I had this discussion with another gun enthusiast friend and we both agreed that given the situation, the number of casualties would have been far higher had he chosen a different gun. (than the .223) I haven't seen the scoped .308 photos. Was it another AR or something similar? Was it one of the guns configured for automatic fire? I've only seen the reports of a .223 and a .308 being used.

I'm guessing he had to take breaks for the amount of reloading he had to do, as well as switch between weapons and such. At 400 yds he's going to get much less fragmentation due to drop off with the .223 than he would with another round/gun setup.
Agreed a better firearm choice would've been more lethal.

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Why? Because it's a country concert?
Yes. The victim is usually the best indicator of motive. I realize I could be reading into things and admit that. Take away the fact that it was a country concert and just make it a concert. So now his target was simply "a crowd of insignificant origin". The rest of the facts within the science still point him to be a cause shooter. So if his cause isn't conservatives, then what is it? It likely isn't political if you take away that. Ok fine. So next what is it? He had nothing to lose, and he was angry. What was he angry at? What's his message? That would make his next likely cause to be religious. His GF is Filipino and he himself has visited the Philippines. That country has a minority, Muslim population. It is known to have radical Muslims in it.

So could he be a Muslim sympathizer? I suppose so. But then again the fact that is a country concert comes back in to play. Out of all music, it would seem country would have the least amount of Muslim listeners (since country is very Americana, grass roots sorta thing (totally my opinion)).

OK so let's say it's not politics and it's not religion. What would be his cause then? Well then you go to notoriety. He simply had it with the world or whatever and wanted to go out big and be the villain of our story like the Aurora shooter. While this doesn't fit the psychological profile of a 64 yr old man, that doesn't make it impossible.

So based on the facts we KNOW as well as the chances it was either:

1. Political Cause
2. Religious Cause
3. Notoriety

I am choosing 1 because it fits the facts the best. None are perfect. Now again, as more facts come out, then the possibilities change.
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What do you think about the alleged Antifa connections? Think there is anything going on there?
I haven't read anything from a large source that would lead me to believe that is fact. So far I'm working off of the obvious (it was a large, country concert), to the facts released by law enforcement so far.

Kinda like the reports of the brown chick yelling that the concert goers were going to die, about 45 min before the attack.

From what I can tell this actually did happen. However I don't think it's related. Probably just some tweaked out, Vegas crazy.
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What does the "note" point too? A literal suicide note or are they trying to draw our attention to something in the picture?
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The more i see, the more I think there is something much larger, complex here.
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The more i see, the more I think there is something much larger, complex here.
If that is indeed a note, then it would likely be key to the investigation. Looking at those guns too for someone that wasn't into guns he sure has some of the best shit there. From a Daniel Defense rifle, to the high end optics (Eotech red dot) to the fact every fucking gun has optics. This man was rich we know, but damn.
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I read that he had taken his niece and nephew shooting before; he wasn't opposed to guns.

Also, we don't know that this being a country concert is necessarily relevant. It was an extremely large event outside near a high vantage point.. Might have been all he was looking for.

Stop jumping to conclusions about shit we don't know, guys.
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I read that he had taken his niece and nephew shooting before; he wasn't opposed to guns.

Also, we don't know that this being a country concert is necessarily relevant. It was an extremely large event outside near a high vantage point.. Might have been all he was looking for.

Stop jumping to conclusions about shit we don't know, guys.
No shit... huge event, near his home, the setup he wants... his girlfriend appears to have been out of country at the time.

As likely it was just the opportunity, than politically motivated.
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I read that he had taken his niece and nephew shooting before; he wasn't opposed to guns.

Also, we don't know that this being a country concert is necessarily relevant. It was an extremely large event outside near a high vantage point.. Might have been all he was looking for.

Stop jumping to conclusions about shit we don't know, guys.
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No shit... huge event, near his home, the setup he wants... his girlfriend appears to have been out of country at the time.

As likely it was just the opportunity, than politically motivated.
So, what's the motivation? What do the existing facts lead you to believe? There has to be a reason. So if it's not the biggest likely reason then what do you speculate?

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No shit... huge event, near his home, the setup he wants... his girlfriend appears to have been out of country at the time.

As likely it was just the opportunity, than politically motivated.
All very true. But as a gun guy, does the number of rifles not strike you as odd for a non-politically motivated attack? He was not a stranger to guns and therefore should know that over a dozen guns is not needed to carry out this attack. If anything it would be an inconvenience and increase your odds of getting caught in the days leading up to the attack. Can't help but think they were brought more to make a statement than out of necessity.
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All very true. But as a gun guy, does the number of rifles not strike you as odd for a non-politically motivated attack? He was not a stranger to guns and therefore should know that over a dozen guns is not needed to carry out this attack. If anything it would be an inconvenience and increase your odds of getting caught in the days leading up to the attack. Can't help but think they were brought more to make a statement than out of necessity.
It's possible for sure.

I had seen previous discussion that to avoid reloading as often, he could just go from gun to gun... especially having two attack points that are quite a ways apart.

At 64, I have plenty of clients that struggle to reload, clear jams, etc. He had the money/means... just lots of loaded ready to go guns.

I still can't explain the gaps in the shooting... dude was so fucked in the head.
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Photos don't make sense to me. That's a lot of guns, stacked and thrown around the room. Why bring that many to do what he did? Did he have something else planned after this and shot himself because something went wrong. That's just a lot of guns for one guy doing shooting. I'm not a tin foil hat person, but not much of this lines up.

I saw photos of a 2nd window on the same floor broken, was he going back and forth between the 2 windows?
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Photos don't make sense to me. That's a lot of guns, stacked and thrown around the room. Why bring that many to do what he did? Did he have something else planned after this and shot himself because something went wrong. That's just a lot of guns for one guy doing shooting. I'm not a tin foil hat person, but not much of this lines up.

I saw photos of a 2nd window on the same floor broken, was he going back and forth between the 2 windows?
He was rotating windows and my guess is that he installed the cameras to see the first responders specifically so he could know when to take his own life.
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