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Ford and Chevy have already made drag focused versions of the Camaro and Mustang. They've were the opposite of this in the fact that they were track certified and not street legal.


All depends on what you are looking for out of a drag focused setup.

Dodge did that as well with their Drag pack
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So ford and GM need to make street legal versions then. Those cars are built even better than the demon, but need a VIN
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Ford and Chevy have already made drag focused versions of the Camaro and Mustang. They've were the opposite of this in the fact that they were track certified and not street legal.


All depends on what you are looking for out of a drag focused setup.
Yeah, COPO Camaro and Cobra Jet Mustang. But to that end, Dodge also released the Challenger drag pak. So those are in competition with each other, not the Demon.

I don't think GM/Ford need to compete with the Demon. It's a very niche market and while I'm sure it will sell out and for a lot of money over MSRP, I think there's a much larger market for cars like the ZL1 and GT500 which will do everything better than the Demon, except go down a drag strip.
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Here's Why The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon Is Banned By The NHRA But Not Really





Dodge seems determined to make the SRT Demon a car that’s a bunch of balls-out firsts and mosts and biggests and fastests. Dodge just released a press release that goes over all these superlatives, and also drops a pretty big bomb: it’s been banned by the NHRA.
Yes, the fastest production quarter-mile car ever built has been officially banned by the NHRA. Really, that’s what the PR says:
• World’s fastest quarter-mile production car with an elapsed time (ET) of 9.65 seconds and 140 miles per hour (mph) as certified by National Hot Rod Association (NHRA)
• Challenger SRT Demon is too fast for the drag strip – officially banned by NHRA
So, wait. The one job this car was specifically designed to do better than all others, it’s banned from actually doing? That’s like if Ivan Drago was banned from boxing. What’s the point of this ridiculous 840 horsepower brute if you can’t drag race it?





Here’s the thing, though—it’s not really banned by the NHRA, as much as Dodge seems to like saying that, it’s just that in its stock form it’s fast enough that it’s required to have a competition license and extra safety equipment (a roll cage) that the car doesn’t normally come with.

That said, if you buy a Demon and take it to a drag strip, you can certainly drive it as long as you sort of suck at it. The Demon will do the quarter mile in 9.65 seconds at 140 MPH, but if you keep that down to 9.99 seconds or worse and 135 MPH or slower, nobody will make you get a license or an expensive roll cage.
So, yes, the car is technically banned from doing the one thing it was built to do really well, at least right off the showroom floor. But if you’re serious about drag racing the car – and with as fast as it is, you really should be – you’ll need to upgrade the safety and get a license that says you know at least a little bit about what you’re doing.
The NHRA may have just saved more cars and lives right there with this one little rule than regular oil changes and Superman combined.
Want to know some of the other crazy-ass things this car will do? Here, let me just give you a sample of this press release:




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840 horsepower and 770 pounds-feet of torque from supercharged 6.2-liter HEMI® Demon V-8 engine makes Dodge Challenger SRT Demon the most-powerful muscle car ever
Highest horsepower V-8 production car engine ever produced
First-ever front-wheel lift in production car (2.92 feet) as certified by Guinness World Records
World’s fastest quarter-mile production car with an elapsed time (ET) of 9.65 seconds and 140 miles per hour (mph) as certified by National Hot Rod Association (NHRA)
Challenger SRT Demon is too fast for the drag strip – officially banned by NHRA
World’s fastest 0-60 production car: 2.3 seconds
0-30 miles per hour: 1.0 second
Highest g-force acceleration of any production car: 1.8 g
Air-Grabber™ induction system includes the largest functional hood scoop (45.2 square inches) of any production car
Significant upgrades to create the Demon engine include:Larger 2.7-liter per rev supercharger; increased boost pressure to 14.5 psiHigher rpm limit of 6,500First-ever factory-production car with innovative SRT Power Chiller™ liquid-to-air intercooler chiller systemFirst factory-production car with After-Run Chiller that keeps cooling the supercharger/charge air cooler after the engine is shut off
First-ever, factory-production car designed to run on 100+ high-octane unleaded fuel or 91 octane on demand
First-ever, factory-production car with TransBrake for more powerful and quicker launches
First-ever, factory-production drag car with Torque Reserve, to deliver increased levels of power and torque at launch
First-ever, factory-production car with front passenger seat delete
All customers who buy the new 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon receive one full-day session at Bob Bondurant School of High-performance Driving
There’s a lot of bonkers going on there. How the hell is something this heavy and with just RWD getting to 60 in times close to what rallycross cars do? A production car that does a 3-foot wheelie? Passenger seat delete?
Also, speaking of seat deletion, the PR also includes this fascinating little tidbit:
Front passenger seat and rear seat deleted to reduce weight (can be optioned back for $1 each)
A buck for a seat? That’s a pretty good deal. That may be the best deal in all of car optioning, really. Shit, Porsche usually charges you hundreds of dollars to get rid of things.
One more fascinating thing about this press release: the weight savings breakdown. Even though the car appears substantial and heavy, a lot of effort was spent shaving weight down. Dodge breaks it down for us:
  1. 58 pounds: Removed front passenger seat and belt
  2. 55 pounds: Removed rear seat, restraints and floor mats
  3. 24 pounds: Removed 16 audio speakers, amplifier and associated wiring
  4. 20 pounds: Removed trunk deck cover trim, carpeting, spare tire cover
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  8. 16 pounds: Switched to lightweight wheels and open-end lug nuts
  9. 4 pounds: Switched to manual tilt/telescope steering column
  10. 2 pounds: Removed park sensors and module
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If it is just on the pump gas tune with the DR all the way around, you can probably take it to the strip no problem and run mid-low 10s at 130 or so.

Will be interesting to see once real world racing starts to happen. Then to see if people do basic bolt ons and what not, if the fuel system can keep up. With larger rails/injectors/twin pumps you would think there is plenty left on the table fuel wise.
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Yeah, COPO Camaro and Cobra Jet Mustang. But to that end, Dodge also released the Challenger drag pak. So those are in competition with each other, not the Demon.

I don't think GM/Ford need to compete with the Demon. It's a very niche market and while I'm sure it will sell out and for a lot of money over MSRP, I think there's a much larger market for cars like the ZL1 and GT500 which will do everything better than the Demon, except go down a drag strip.


Yeah...well...


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Ford and Chevy have already made drag focused versions of the Camaro and Mustang. They've were the opposite of this in the fact that they were track certified and not street legal.


All depends on what you are looking for out of a drag focused setup.
Has Ford released anything on the upcoming GT500 yet? They may have but I haven't seen it. I have heard rumors of an Ecoboost V8. If they can get 647 out of the 3.5L TTV6 then who knows. All I know is 840 is a huge number and I love that healthy competition has them fighting at these absurd levels!
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Just rumors on the GT500.
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Yeah GT500 are just rumors
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That whole "so fast the NHRA BANNED IT" talk is gonna get so old.
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Demon comes with the standard FCA warranty of three-year/36,000-mile bumper to bumper coverage and five-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage.

The orginal Dodge Demon warranty was void if you raced the car. The 2018 Dodge Challenger Demon’s warranty covers problems which occur on the dragstrip, even when running on 100-octane fuel, but it only covers the car in stock form.

Any aftermarket engine tuning, adding nitrous, swapping to a smaller pulley or other power-adding goodies will impact the warranty; but in bone-stock form, damage which occur at your local test-n-tune should be covered. In other words, the Demon is literally a 9.65 quarter mile car with a drivetrain warranty.

Every 2018 Demon buyer will also get a one-day session at the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving.

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Demon comes with the standard FCA warranty of three-year/36,000-mile bumper to bumper coverage and five-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage.

The orginal Dodge Demon warranty was void if you raced the car. The 2018 Dodge Challenger Demon’s warranty covers problems which occur on the dragstrip, even when running on 100-octane fuel, but it only covers the car in stock form.

Any aftermarket engine tuning, adding nitrous, swapping to a smaller pulley or other power-adding goodies will impact the warranty; but in bone-stock form, damage which occur at your local test-n-tune should be covered. In other words, the Demon is literally a 9.65 quarter mile car with a drivetrain warranty.

Every 2018 Demon buyer will also get a one-day session at the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving.

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That is pretty damn amazing, honestly.
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That is pretty damn amazing, honestly.


Paging douche canoe cseaman.


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I'm really glad Dodge did this car.

Great design, great marketing, great execution. Let's just hope dealers don't ruin all of the fun by marking them up over MSRP... That's bad business IMO.
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Also ran a 9.96 on pump which i think is impressive as well.
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I'm really glad Dodge did this car.

Great design, great marketing, great execution. Let's just hope dealers don't ruin all of the fun by marking them up over MSRP... That's bad business IMO.

I've told Ford dealers to suck it over that markup on their SVT products. It's silly, and just catches dumb people as not every dealership in the market does so.
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Im sure allot of them will be snatched up by collectors and wrapped in storage and never see daylight again let alone a drag strip.

I cant wait for the first video of the first dumbass who wiped out in a Demon the day he buys it.
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Probably won't be hearing any more from him ITT.
Sure, why not.

9.65 out of $130k? I can think of 10 ways I'd rather do that. Anyone that can legitimately afford a $130k car can afford better ways to do it. They're also probably not interested in dumbass flaming videos and special toolkits that allow you to change your own front wheels at the track.

This is a car for suckers. This isn't a car for legitimate car enthusiasts. This is a car for the same people that buy most FCA products, barring the Viper. Mindless people who like shiny shit. This car has to be BONE STOCK to warranty anything. Who the fuck wants to take a $130k bone stock car to the track to match a magazine's time? I'd rather take a $75k car with $55k into it. Just like everyone else at the big races. When was the last time you watched a bone stock car in a TX2kX video?

A warranty isn't impressive, because a warranty is nothing more than an included insurance package at purchase price. Manufacturers don't offer warranty's that aren't profitable if they don't have the ability to void them.
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Maybe cseaman can list all the bone stock cars I have to choose from that run 9s and trap 140+ that I could take to tx2k that cost less than a million bucks.


What an idiot.
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This is the highest HP car Dodge has ever offered and you think real car enthusiasts won't buy it? You probably think real car enthusiasts didn't buy the hellcat either.
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Sure, why not.

9.65 out of $130k? I can think of 10 ways I'd rather do that. Anyone that can legitimately afford a $130k car can afford better ways to do it. They're also probably not interested in dumbass flaming videos and special toolkits that allow you to change your own front wheels at the track.

This is a car for suckers. This isn't a car for legitimate car enthusiasts. This is a car for the same people that buy most FCA products, barring the Viper. Mindless people who like shiny shit. This car has to be BONE STOCK to warranty anything. Who the fuck wants to take a $130k bone stock car to the track to match a magazine's time? I'd rather take a $75k car with $55k into it. Just like everyone else at the big races. When was the last time you watched a bone stock car in a TX2kX video?

A warranty isn't impressive, because a warranty is nothing more than an included insurance package at purchase price. Manufacturers don't offer warranty's that aren't profitable if they don't have the ability to void them.
It's impressive, you just are too idiotic to understand why.

Yes you can build a faster car for cheaper, no shit. It's the fact that Dodge did a drag focused street legal car that runs 9's off the shelf. No concern about handling, just a straight line brute power muscle car.

So many enthusiasts I know that aren't even remotely Dodge fans respect it, but I guess they aren't truly enthusiasts in your smug ass eyes.
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This is the highest HP car Dodge has ever offered and you think real car enthusiasts won't buy it? You probably think real car enthusiasts didn't buy the hellcat either.
I don't think he knows any real car enthusiasts, at least not straight line enthusiasts.
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I don't think he knows any real car enthusiasts, at least not straight line enthusiasts.
i think dodge sucks, and i think going straight is pretty useless(unless there's a corner at the end). the demon is fucking awsome.
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Fuck this car, Karlen can run 9s in a junkyard 5.3 for under $1k.

This car ain't shit.
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